And ALL former Tiger guys have their Tiger "A plan", as well.

...gearing up for 12-16 new hire 727 Second Officer students starting in January.

...internals & poolies first

...new externals as soon as March

I don't see folks going straight to HKG domicile unless they have another internal bid first and can't fill it --- that's why/how they put the Purple Nuggets direct into ANC in 2006.

True but many Former FTL guys who are still active, never had their Invest Plan maxed out or even close, some were not vested.

AUG 2014 ALL FTL pilots will have the "FDX" A plan maxed out.

The HKG FO seat already has 5 unfilled slots as of the close 10-02.

Actually, there is some talk of all the new hires, including internals, going straight to the right seat of the 757. That's one word on the street...

I would not be surprised -- just let the Jurassic jet attrit.

And they'll miss out on all the hazing! LOL

No, we will just have another excess bid later on so they can go to the panel and get their "required" hazing :eek: :D :D

That would have passover pay implications for at least 90-100 guys...and maybe more depending on how they would enact such a plan.Not sure why the company would do that after all their efforts in the past 18 months to get rid of passover pay among the junior ranks.There were no unfilled 757 FO slots on the last bid.They are preparing for 12-16 SOs to go thru initial training in Jan.

I don't know that they would do it in the near term, but barring changes to the way our cba is written, wouldn't you expect this exact scenario to occur in the future as long we're hiring steadily? The company loves their big bids and training letters and with no current limits on when one must be trained after receiving an award this seems inevitable at some point.

mmm....I can already count the 4a2b funded dividends

...and just in time for contract negotiations...

...more intel today that the # of new hires next year is a solid 90-100 to start.

Then it all depends on the economy/fleet mix/# of guys who retire in 2011.

Curious how a new hire at 52 an hour will fair in HKG when guys on 4th year pay @ 150 aren't exactly doing so well?

Yo Pine,
I thought the same thing.. but I was schooled on 1st year pay by the "experts" on here that AFTER training pay, you go to whatever 1st year pay your on. ie, widebody FO, you would get widebody FO pay, not the 52.00 per hour I thought was first yr. pay...:rolleyes:
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You guys do know we got a new contract in 06, don't you? 1st yr pay hasn't been $52 per hour since the last contract. It's currently $59.39 for all SOs and NB FOs, $61.57 for WB FOs. Not to mention the $7 per hour Intl Override for HKG FOs.

If you're gonna talk s&@t about how bad 1st year pay is, it behooves you to know what the rate actually is.

Heard the plan is for all new hires to go to the back of the 72.

I'm sorry I couldn't get past the first part, did you say something?

If you're gonna talk s&@t about how bad 1st year pay is, it behooves you to know what the rate actually is.[/QUOTE]

First of all, Why are you tripping! Second I wasn't talking s#*$&t! I was making a comment about what the other guy asked about! And about my ignorance to first yr pay here! That's the problem with this forum, guys like you! I'm done with this friggin' APC:mad:
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Ok, thanks for the correction.

HKG at 61 an hour is going to be interesting for a single guy and downright scary for a guy/gal with kids. Hopefully new hires aren't faced with that choice.

JayZ....just consider the source and move on.

Yes, it would be extremely tough. But I'm sure their current options are pretty scary too. With economy and pay rates elsewhere, 1st year pay in HKG might be a blessing. There are other benefits of working at FedEx than just 1st year pay.

Oh, come on. By the time they finish indoc and new hire training, they will have 7-8 months of first year pay. It won't be a big money maker, but it isn't a death sentence either. Second year pay $139.69 (+7 for international override). They could also get the 2700/month (I think this is right) as well.

I'm not saying it's incredible, but that it isn't terrible either. I'd take it in a heartbeat if I was looking for a job. If it's too much for someone (and it might be for some), then maybe there are other companies to work for. Not to be an a-hole, but there are worse options out there.

You haven't lived in Hong Kong, is all I have to say about that.

You're right about that. I have spent my fair share of time there though. It is very expensive, no doubt. Living conditions are not ideal, but neither are those for commuter pilots based in other high cost areas (NYC for example). Is HKG commutable? It would be painful (and a lot of time from home), but yes, it is commutable to some degree. A crashpad would obviously be required. If I read the LOA correctly, a pilot residing in a crashpad would not receive the $2700/month. Hopefully this isn't the case. Nonetheless, a potential new hire would have to ask himself if it is worth it. I guess it depends on each person's situation. It isn't like being deployed to Afghanistan for a year.

If I based my career on my first year earnings I wouldn't have a job in the airline industry. First of all, no one is saying that new hires will be sent to HKG. If they are, they will have to determine if they can take the hit for 7-8 months.

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Do yourself a favor and read the previous post. Any new hire will most likely go to the 727 SO seat in Memphis. Plain and simple, isn't it? Live wherever you want. Just be in Memphis on time to start your trip. And yes you do need your FE written exam.

I havent been there but
 

Looking at their bid pack most of the lines are 7-9 on 10-12 off, with some exceptions. This is contrary to what the company told us when they were selling the LOA. If there is a new domicile the only thing for certain is dont believe what they tell you.

I dont know and will probably never find out.

2nd and a half world country probably as dangerous as Memphis but worse than most other places. It seems to me you spend a lot more time being transported in HKG than any other domicile.

Currently a bus domicile we suspect there will be a MD domicile soon. Company does not share their vision with us. When they do share it, there is a good chance it is tactical deception.

When your commitment is up you can bid for any open seat. Assuming there is a bid. They will move you last if they feel like it. My guess is a two year commitment will be at least 3 years on the rock.

Should be good in about 2 years. I suspect we are older than average. Search this forum and you will find some
good wags.

If what you are asking is Fedex a good place to work my guess is 96% of the pilots looking for jobs would say yes to Fedex. You could probably avoid HKG but sometime in the future they may take HKG volunteers 1st and tell the non vols to wait.

See previous post.

If you trust the van driver or anyone in the training department. ;)

I don't think anyone should assume newhires will not go to HKG. They barely got it filled when upward movement stopped and fears of furlough were rampant. Now, with vacancy bids that will likely continue as retirements start in earnest and new airplane need more bodies, it will be even tougher to fill the FO seats in HKG.

How long do you think they will delay HKG FOs bidding out? It may only be 2-5 newhires but it is possible.

I think Gunter is right that, in the future, new hires may have an opportunity to go straight to HKG ---- if that's their preference.

Group would be handpicked similar to the ANC Purple Nuggets...and given a CHOICE of HKG or MEM.

I don't think there will be a gun to their heads in any manner.

YMMV.

p.s. I don't think any of the 90-100 pilots hired in 2011 will go anywhere but the back of the 727.

As we (HKG ABus) start going to India (Nov 10), we're 12 crews short ... Can you say SIBA? I can see new hires being offered HKG ... a few anyways.

Word out here is 200 new guys, some before Peak ... YMMV :cool:

I agree with the SIBA theory.

Sad that after almost 3 years of operation, they still can't fill the right seat.

That's how good the LOA is!

Ohh wait, it went senior. Ohh wait, it, uhh, it didn't even went at all...........

12 crews, eh? It will be worse with the FOs moving. Maybe the plan is to have MD10s do that flying.

SIBA type flying for the MD - great - maybe my requal date will get moved up :rolleyes:

From the Way-back Machine . . .
 

I remember a few years after the turn of the century, say middle of nought-five, that classes were not offered Subic, just front and back of the T-tail (post -10 right; pre -11 north). But you could volunteer, as one gent did. He also was the junior Captain on the first practice HKG bid, with less than 3 years on property. Not quite what They had in mind.

I have a feeling if one or two of the poolies so desire, They would accommodate their desire of the Fragrant Harbour.

Best of luck to all,

Cheers

Say What????

Word from the ACP in the great white north is we will be 1000 pilots short when the Flag/rest rules take effect. A very juicy rumor. I didn't even make it up.

Flag - We all did the CBT. How does he figure? Isn't the October schedule compliant?

Rest NPRM - That's a good 12 months or more out. Subject to manhandling as they deal with the all important "cost issue". Yes, safety will only be legislated if it doesn't cost too much.

Same ACP that said ANC all A330?:rolleyes: