Cockpit Fire(from lithium battery flashlight)
09-08-2010, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by HireAstarPilots
[A little Off-Topic; sorry in advance to the moderators]
Here's what people don't realize about that "wonderful" Prius. Seven years down the road, that car's batteries are now worn out. Cost to replace? Estimated at about $4,000.
Value of a used 7 year old Prius? Oh, probably about $4,000!
This means that you are now saddled with a tiny car that weighs upwards of 3100 pounds, has little pep, and because the hybrid section doesn't work any more....economy is BAD. To add insult to injury, the thing is shaped like a roach~
That's not the worst of it: The WORST is coming this fall in the form of the Nissan Leaf. ALL electric....it relies on air-cooled batteries. What this means is inconsistent battery cooling, and the result is inconsistent battery performance. Elon Musk, who was behind eBay, and is now behind Tesla Motors, the makers of high-end electric cars, has stated publicly that in his opinion the technology behind the Leaf is terrible, and that on hot days the car is likely to strand its owners!
If this is true, the mainstream product Nissan Leaf may largely turn off the general public from purchasing electric cars. At least until battery technology improves.
Here's what people don't realize about that "wonderful" Prius. Seven years down the road, that car's batteries are now worn out. Cost to replace? Estimated at about $4,000.
Value of a used 7 year old Prius? Oh, probably about $4,000!
This means that you are now saddled with a tiny car that weighs upwards of 3100 pounds, has little pep, and because the hybrid section doesn't work any more....economy is BAD. To add insult to injury, the thing is shaped like a roach~
That's not the worst of it: The WORST is coming this fall in the form of the Nissan Leaf. ALL electric....it relies on air-cooled batteries. What this means is inconsistent battery cooling, and the result is inconsistent battery performance. Elon Musk, who was behind eBay, and is now behind Tesla Motors, the makers of high-end electric cars, has stated publicly that in his opinion the technology behind the Leaf is terrible, and that on hot days the car is likely to strand its owners!
If this is true, the mainstream product Nissan Leaf may largely turn off the general public from purchasing electric cars. At least until battery technology improves.
YouTube - Top Gear - Toyota Prius
I'll keep driving my 14 mpg, baby seal clubbing, smog emitting, gas guzzling, 351 powered SUV.
09-08-2010, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
Top Gear's take on the Prius.
YouTube - Top Gear - Toyota Prius
I'll keep driving my 14 mpg, baby seal clubbing, smog emitting, gas guzzling, 351 powered SUV.
YouTube - Top Gear - Toyota Prius
I'll keep driving my 14 mpg, baby seal clubbing, smog emitting, gas guzzling, 351 powered SUV.
And its 13 second quarter mile times will beat the crap out of anything this side of a Z06 Saturn...
Bumper sticker I keep looking for: "Happily using the gas that your silly stupid Prius is saving!
09-09-2010, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by HireAstarPilots
I'll keep driving my 11 mpg, baby seal clubbing, smog emitting, gas guzzling 286 powered Porsche 928S2.
And its 13 second quarter mile times will beat the crap out of anything this side of a Z06 Saturn...
Bumper sticker I keep looking for: "Happily using the gas that your silly stupid Prius is saving!
And its 13 second quarter mile times will beat the crap out of anything this side of a Z06 Saturn...
Bumper sticker I keep looking for: "Happily using the gas that your silly stupid Prius is saving!
09-11-2010, 01:30 PM
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The whole thing reminds me of the exploding transistor plague:
Capacitor plague - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
All the result of corporate espionage in Asia where someone stole an incomplete formula from one company.
Capacitor plague - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
All the result of corporate espionage in Asia where someone stole an incomplete formula from one company.
09-15-2010, 04:00 PM
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09-17-2010, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by mmaviator
09-20-2010, 10:40 AM
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Lith-ion Batteries:
Two types:
Primary: Metallic lithium used. They are the "throw-away" batteries...watches, calculators, blow-up dolls. Halon will not readily extinguish a fire caused by these. They aren't allowed to be carried as freight on passenger planes and have to be in special containers when transported on freighters.
Secondary: Lithium Ions used with electrolytes. These are your rechargable batteries such as laptops, I-products (iphone, ipod, etc), and long-lasting blow-up dolls. Halon does extinguish fires from this source and can be transported in Class E type freighter decks. If memory serves me correct, these batteries have to be accessible by the flight crew if they are going to be shipped.
I know very little about this type of hazmat-I could never stay awake during the course, however; for both of these type of batteries to ignite they have to get "jacked"....a short-circuit, excessive heat (Dubai?), improper packing, or a chemical reaction/process.
Many times we purchase consumer products with these batteries inside and I presume the plastic pull-tab is the safeguard to prevent the above-mentioned reaction. Is it enough ? Or could it be packed differently and safer ?
Two types:
Primary: Metallic lithium used. They are the "throw-away" batteries...watches, calculators, blow-up dolls. Halon will not readily extinguish a fire caused by these. They aren't allowed to be carried as freight on passenger planes and have to be in special containers when transported on freighters.
Secondary: Lithium Ions used with electrolytes. These are your rechargable batteries such as laptops, I-products (iphone, ipod, etc), and long-lasting blow-up dolls. Halon does extinguish fires from this source and can be transported in Class E type freighter decks. If memory serves me correct, these batteries have to be accessible by the flight crew if they are going to be shipped.
I know very little about this type of hazmat-I could never stay awake during the course, however; for both of these type of batteries to ignite they have to get "jacked"....a short-circuit, excessive heat (Dubai?), improper packing, or a chemical reaction/process.
Many times we purchase consumer products with these batteries inside and I presume the plastic pull-tab is the safeguard to prevent the above-mentioned reaction. Is it enough ? Or could it be packed differently and safer ?
Last edited by FliFast; 09-21-2010 at 08:02 AM. Reason: "I" before "E" except after "C" and also after a few martoonis.
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