Ok, stop it! you have the right to an opinion on the TA but you do not have the right to spread blatant lies. The MEC has a financial oversight committee and the Officers have a minimum work schedule set per the MEC policy manual. The telecommute jab is actually true, they all telecommute on the days they are not even required to be in the office.

Get your yellow, self serving hind end, over to the ALPA office. Make an appointment with the FOC Chair and go through the books, the schedules, whatever you want to look at. They will not only let you they have to.

The section 18 changes were explained in the road show and in the last NC letter. MEC Officer and others are paid per the MEC. This does not change in this TA, also the non currency is already allowed for the Officers, now new positions can co non qual is what was said, to help those concentrate on ALPA work (important full time type jobs).

Go find out the truth, then come back here and post the real answer. if you find ANY truth to your post regarding this stuff I will post a apology (with my real name). Am I an Officer or MEC rep, NO, not in a million years. I do know the past group and current very well and the sacrifices they make on a 24/7 basis for us is admirable and underpaid. Stop the lies, if you just were making assumptions then you know what that gets you.

PS Here is the FOC email so you don't even have to log on to the ALPA website to seek the truth. If you do go online to ALPA the policy manual is there as well if you want to know the real info on how MEC Officer pay and schedules work. I am guessing you don't really want to know the truth.

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Thanks, I will. With such cerebral arguments from you, how could I not?

 

You're darn right we want improvements to retirement! Increase the B Fund and take away the penalty of retiring before age 60 but with 25 years of service. After 25 years of service, no matter what your age, you should be able to retire penalty free!

 

I agreed with you before, and I'll agree with you again!

I say this in every Wilson Poll, every time I talk to my block rep (Which is often), and to anyone who will listen to me (Which isn't often). I know our negotiators are some fine guys, and really work hard, but I challenge the tactic of keeping Retirement as it is, instead of improving it. An increase to the B Fund and taking away the A Fund penalty if you retire prior to age 60 despite 25 years of service would be a good start.

 

They (the MEC/NC etc) do want improvements to retirement. Ask them, look at the communications. If you think they have been left behind in this deal that is not the case. Anyone thinks that they could get a full agreement in 4 months is smoking some good stuff. We will not have a full TA until after the "unknowns" of the items listed by ALPA are cleared up, with OR without this extended deal.

If they could bring the improvements to retirement, in 4 months no less, with the Company wanting the opposite and in the face of zero support from us line dogs. That would be a miracle, that is a deal I would wonder "why and how did this happen" we were probably about to be sold!

Hang in there, we all want those items, lets get everyone else acting like they do. The real battles are ahead of us, this decision is easy. Do you want some money to wait or not? That is how I view it.

 

To put it in a nutshell...

Think back to the good old days of 4A2b. We told the NC, in no uncertain terms, to not bring us an FDA-LOA by itself, to ratify.

Why not?

Does this document meet the standards you required, then? Why would it now? 3%? Because nothing else was fixed.

 

Noted on the Partial TA, but it was my understanding the goal of the Full TA was only to maintain Age 60 retirement. I must have missed something about actually improving it.

 

Osmosize the MEC's openers from Aug '10:

„„ Maintain ability to retire at age 60 with full benefits
„„ Improve DB Plan
„„ Improve DC Plan
„„ Remove retirement impediments
„„ Explore further pension security
„„ Discuss XYZ’s RSC (inadequate DB plan administration and customer service)

 

There it is, I missed something... not the first time either.

 

Just voted. IN FAVOR means in favor of it not passing right?