UPS FQS...what are you waiting for?
03-05-2011, 04:37 AM
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UPS FQS...what are you waiting for?
Do you realize that the company has already told the faa that many of you will be getting your wings clipped? It's in the company submission to the NPRM. How valuable to them will you be after this goes through? Remember, the numbers may change on the final rules, but most likely, the structure will not and this is part of the structure that seems important to the faa.
With the cutting of head counts Nichols and Davis are known for what happens to you? Better to be on our list than to be running the truck wash in Cedar Rapids, or worse.
With respect to considering all “administrative” work performed by a management pilot as duty, UPS believes that the unintended consequence is that all management pilot positions will become non-flying positions. (P.75)
With the cutting of head counts Nichols and Davis are known for what happens to you? Better to be on our list than to be running the truck wash in Cedar Rapids, or worse.
With respect to considering all “administrative” work performed by a management pilot as duty, UPS believes that the unintended consequence is that all management pilot positions will become non-flying positions. (P.75)
03-05-2011, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 767pilot
Do you realize that the company has already told the faa that many of you will be getting your wings clipped? It's in the company submission to the NPRM. How valuable to them will you be after this goes through? Remember, the numbers may change on the final rules, but most likely, the structure will not and this is part of the structure that seems important to the faa.
With the cutting of head counts Nichols and Davis are known for what happens to you? Better to be on our list than to be running the truck wash in Cedar Rapids, or worse.
With respect to considering all “administrative” work performed by a management pilot as duty, UPS believes that the unintended consequence is that all management pilot positions will become non-flying positions. (P.75)
With the cutting of head counts Nichols and Davis are known for what happens to you? Better to be on our list than to be running the truck wash in Cedar Rapids, or worse.
With respect to considering all “administrative” work performed by a management pilot as duty, UPS believes that the unintended consequence is that all management pilot positions will become non-flying positions. (P.75)
03-05-2011, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by FR8TFLYER
At this point, I could care less of these guys join the IPA. Let the company fire them, not my problem. Then the company will have to hire more off the street an they will all be junior. Most of these guys are senior to me anyway. As far as the furloughes IPA guys that are joining management, they don't deserve to come back.
03-05-2011, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by FR8TFLYER
At this point, I could care less of these guys join the IPA. Let the company fire them, not my problem. Then the company will have to hire more off the street an they will all be junior. Most of these guys are senior to me anyway.
But a fair chunk of the FQS folks have submitted their cards and do want to join the IPA. They deserve our best efforts to accrete them. If it falls short, then all bets are off.
I wonder if they have all seen this position UPS has taken in its official response to the NPRM?
It seems to me that if this is new information to them, it should generate the six cards needed.
03-05-2011, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Husker4Life
But a fair chunk of the FQS folks have submitted their cards and do want to join the IPA. They deserve our best efforts to accrete them. If it falls short, then all bets are off.
It seems to me that if this is new information to them, it should generate the six cards needed.
It seems to me that if this is new information to them, it should generate the six cards needed.
If UPS Atlanta (& Scott Davis) do not know all they should about the current situation with the FQS's, and the resultant waste of money, it will on March 12th, for sure.
03-05-2011, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Husker4Life
The cold, hard truth....for most it's all about seniority..
But a fair chunk of the FQS folks have submitted their cards and do want to join the IPA. They deserve our best efforts to accrete them. If it falls short, then all bets are off.
I wonder if they have all seen this position UPS has taken in its official response to the NPRM?
It seems to me that if this is new information to them, it should generate the six cards needed.
But a fair chunk of the FQS folks have submitted their cards and do want to join the IPA. They deserve our best efforts to accrete them. If it falls short, then all bets are off.
I wonder if they have all seen this position UPS has taken in its official response to the NPRM?
It seems to me that if this is new information to them, it should generate the six cards needed.
Their problem is now with UPS and their peers in management.
03-05-2011, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Husker4Life
But a fair chunk of the FQS folks have submitted their cards and do want to join the IPA. They deserve our best efforts to accrete them. If it falls short, then all bets are off.
03-05-2011, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 767pilot
I agree. We made them an offer and we can't take it back at this point saying "the nprm is going to change everything, all bets are now off". If we don't get 6 more cards, we did what we could do and between the NPRM and UPS's cost cutting, all bets will be off.
Our benevolent employer going back on a deal on the other hand ...
03-05-2011, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by CactusCrew
I feel safe saying they have already gotten the IPA's best efforts.
I was thinking about UPS' official position on the NPRM and wondering if it had been previously highlighted to the FQS by the IPA. If not, then all efforts should be made to ensure they are aware of that position.
03-05-2011, 08:56 AM
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I guess I've not been following the happenings of bringing the FQS's aboard as IPA members, so please excuse my stupid questions. As part of the deal, was it IPA's idea to "merge" the management pilots into the UPS pilot's seniority list, by date of hire? What is the reason for even wanting the FQS's on the seniority list? Did the full union membership vote on bringing the FQS's on board, based on date of hire?
From an outsiders point of view, you guys must have some major reason to even want these managers on your list, never mind bringing them in by date of hire. It would seem to me that this is totally different than two airlines merging, because in your case, only one group is unionized, while the other is the exact opposite. It's hard to believe that some of your management pilots actually don't want this merger, because it is such a great deal for them. They started out making a ton of money, as managers, and now they get to become seniority holding union members, without giving up anything. I would have expected that you'd be willing to bring them on board, but only at the bottom of the seniority list. You guys are better men than I would have been, on this issue. Hope it all works out, and that the hold-outs see the light in the next few days and sign those cards.
JJ
From an outsiders point of view, you guys must have some major reason to even want these managers on your list, never mind bringing them in by date of hire. It would seem to me that this is totally different than two airlines merging, because in your case, only one group is unionized, while the other is the exact opposite. It's hard to believe that some of your management pilots actually don't want this merger, because it is such a great deal for them. They started out making a ton of money, as managers, and now they get to become seniority holding union members, without giving up anything. I would have expected that you'd be willing to bring them on board, but only at the bottom of the seniority list. You guys are better men than I would have been, on this issue. Hope it all works out, and that the hold-outs see the light in the next few days and sign those cards.
JJ
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