Deviation Question
03-06-2011, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightflyer
One is a 8:10 layover, and one is a 10:10 layover.
What consitutes same duty period?
What consitutes same duty period?
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03-06-2011, 01:50 PM
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Book the ticket say LAX-NRT-HKG with a 24 hr enroute stop in NRT. All one ticket. Book the Ticket as first going to LAX-HKG on Delta and it goes through NRT giving you the enroute stop capability. The ticket was cheaper than booking separate legs one in first one in coach. I did this a lot when I was based in LAX. Let me know if this works.
03-06-2011, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Baja
I don't think the question was answered the way it was intended. let me offer another scenario. I deviate to HKG and fly from the U.S. to NRT in First because of the trip length. I elect to get a hotel room for the night and leave again early the next morning on a NRT-HKG flight that is 4+50 en route. Can I fly First on that second leg? In other words, am I on a continuous duty from the U.S. to HKG? If the answer is yes, how long would my layover in NRT need to be for it NOT to be continuous duty? Is there a written reference for this?
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Thanks.
US-NRT-HKG is not continuos duty because of your self scheduled NRT layover. If you are offered an personal Upgrade option at the ticket counter
for the NRT-HKG portion you can pay that yourself from personal funds if you wish 1st class, but cannot claim it if you have the Bank money because that segment does not rate Higher class of service by Scheduled block time.
If, however you booked, NRT-HKG as a 2 leg thru ICN on KAL or Asiana for example and the block time was > 5:00 then you could have Corp travel book it for you in a Higher class and could expense it if you have the bank.
03-06-2011, 04:25 PM
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Thanks, Nightflyer, for another great example of why I say working at FedEx is so kafkaesque.
Kafkaesque:
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Kafkaesque:
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03-06-2011, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MrSuupafly
If your stop in NRT does not allow 12 hours free of duty, you can get a FC ticket to HKG.
They depart to other Asian Destinations approx 6:00 PM
This would be 24 hour layover.
If your booked on an Asian Carrier NRT-HKG this would be
JAL or CX. They depart 7:30-10:00 am. Still 12 hours later.
You are correct, Just sayin
03-06-2011, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MrSuupafly
If your stop in NRT does not allow 12 hours free of duty, you can get a FC ticket to HKG.
My concern stems from the fact that I can't find a written reference to this so I'm depending on what a voice on the phone tells me. It worked once but I wonder if it depends on who is on duty or which Exp Rept lady looks at it. Or ... is it actually written somewhere?
03-06-2011, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Baja
Maybe 2 years ago, I booked a flight from the central U.S. to Narita in First. I arrived about 3pm. I intended to take an overnight break and fly Cathay the next morning NRT-HKG. That leg was just under 5 hrs. I called corporate travel and after the lady asked several different people she came back and said the Cathay leg NRT-HKG could be in First. I did so with fear of fighting the Expense Report people over it but it wasn't a problem.
My concern stems from the fact that I can't find a written reference to this so I'm depending on what a voice on the phone tells me. It worked once but I wonder if it depends on who is on duty or which Exp Rept lady looks at it. Or ... is it actually written somewhere?
My concern stems from the fact that I can't find a written reference to this so I'm depending on what a voice on the phone tells me. It worked once but I wonder if it depends on who is on duty or which Exp Rept lady looks at it. Or ... is it actually written somewhere?
higher class of service is authorized.
b. A class of service higher than coach shall be authorized if:
i. a deadhead exceeds 5 scheduled block hours; or
ii. a deadhead is included in a single duty period exceeding
11:30;
Here's an example: You get to NRT at 6 PM, your duty ends at 630 PM. In order for you to not be on a continuous duty you require 12 hours free of duty internationally, that's at 630 AM. Show for an international deadhead is 2 hours prior. So any flight leaving before 830 AM to HKG would be allowed to be book in First, because you would not have gotten 12 hours free from duty. I hope this clears things up a bit.
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03-06-2011, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
True But us flights arrive NRT approx 3:30-5:00 PM
They depart to other Asian Destinations approx 6:00 PM
This would be 24 hour layover.
If your booked on an Asian Carrier NRT-HKG this would be
JAL or CX. They depart 7:30-10:00 am. Still 12 hours later.
You are correct, Just sayin
They depart to other Asian Destinations approx 6:00 PM
This would be 24 hour layover.
If your booked on an Asian Carrier NRT-HKG this would be
JAL or CX. They depart 7:30-10:00 am. Still 12 hours later.
You are correct, Just sayin
03-06-2011, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Baja
My concern stems from the fact that I can't find a written reference to this so I'm depending on what a voice on the phone tells me. It worked once but I wonder if it depends on who is on duty or which Exp Rept lady looks at it. Or ... is it actually written somewhere?
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