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Old 03-21-2011 | 05:00 AM
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Default ASAP & FOQA will be REQUIRED by Company

4 Nov 10 date on the document. FAA will require a SMS. SMS includes ASAP and FOQA. I don't think FedEx Alpa needs to give anything up for this.

Under the proposed rule, scheduled air carriers and a few others operating under Part 121 of federal aviation regulations would be required to implement an SMS within three years. The carriers would have to submit their SMS implementation plans to the FAA within six months of the final rule’s effective date. The plan would be required to show how the airline intends to comply with the rule within the three-year implementation period. An SMS would not take the place of regular FAA oversight, inspection and audits to ensure compliance with existing regulations

Source: Press Release – FAA Proposes Safety Management Systems for Airlines
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Old 03-21-2011 | 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Flying Boxes
4 Nov 10 date on the document. FAA will require a SMS. SMS includes ASAP and FOQA. I don't think FedEx Alpa needs to give anything up for this.
That would be correct if all ASAPs and FOQA's were boilerplate. They are far from it. We don't want the "industry standard" ASAP. We want the industry leading ASAP. That's what is in the TA. That is to our advantage, not the company.
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Old 03-21-2011 | 06:27 AM
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FYI, the FOQA and ASAP portions were written as MOU's, or Memorandum Of Understanding. They really don't require the crew force to vote them in.... the MEC can do that directly. They just tacked them on the the TA.
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Old 03-21-2011 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by FedEx1
FYI, the FOQA and ASAP portions were written as MOU's, or Memorandum Of Understanding. They really don't require the crew force to vote them in.... the MEC can do that directly. They just tacked them on the the TA.
almost got it right, FOQA is a LOA and ASAP is an MOU (because it involves the FAA as an outside 3rd party is what has been said).

FOQA does require approval from us. ASAP can be agreed to by ALPA without a vote.
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Old 03-21-2011 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 4A2B
almost got it right, FOQA is a LOA and ASAP is an MOU (because it involves the FAA as an outside 3rd party is what has been said).

FOQA does require approval from us. ASAP can be agreed to by ALPA without a vote.
Ok, let's vote down the TA and vote for FOQA LOA. Easy enough.
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Old 03-21-2011 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by golfandfly
Ok, let's vote down the TA and vote for FOQA LOA. Easy enough.

Where do I cast my vote?
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Old 03-21-2011 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by iarapilot
Where do I cast my vote?

Did the MEC tack this onto the TA just to make it look better?

PIPE
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Old 03-21-2011 | 12:33 PM
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Most airlines have ASAP without a contract amendment because it makes the airline better and safer. Why are we paying for this in our TA?
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Old 03-21-2011 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFDX
ASAP and FOQA is not a gain just like years of service is not a raise.
He...."Hey honey, I go over 10 years on the 1st of April"
She...."What's that mean?"
He..."my hourly pay goes up"
She...."great, a raise"
He..."no, it's a years of service increase in my hourly pay rate".
She...."whatever"

A rose by any other name.......
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Old 03-21-2011 | 04:25 PM
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Maybe we'll be able to negotiate a FULL TA sooner than expected (including work rules) if we vote NO?

From tonight's ALPA fastread ...

When the U.S. House of Representatives considers the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Reauthorization bill (H.R. 658) next week, a proposed amendment is expected to exempt some all-cargo and charter air carriers from the FT/DT rule.
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