Please go and read section 3F of the ALPA MEC policy manual. THAT's where MEC officer compensation is set, and any changes require approval of the MEC. That means your rep gets a vote before the officers get a pay raise. Section 18.B.1.b of the CBA (TA) says of the MEC Officers: "They shall be compensated based on the number of CH established by the MEC." Most of section 18 deals with how much the company pays, and what money flows back and forth between the company and ALPA. You need to read BOTH documents together.

 

The amount of money you will gain or lose voting yes or no is not 3% or 6%. The amount of money on the table is the difference between the 3% (or 6%) and what retro might be. That difference is probably a very small amount. Thus taking the pay out of the equation what does this T/A get us as a whole? Not much.

Take the money out then decide it you think it's worth your vote...

 

The $$ will be taken out one way or the other by the Company scheduling folks. Years ago we went from 7hr/day to 6hr/day and was told it was not a big deal. Then we have 4a2b still in the line up. They will make it a break even for them. You can count on it.

 

Point taken, you are right. The Company will ALWAYS seek ways to neutralize the total cost effect, but the money in your pocket is indisputable. We will all receive more money on an annual basis. They cant "wash" that away. Whether the total cost increase in pay is offset by FDA savings, fuel sense etc. or not on the Company ledger, the raise/lump sum will actually show up in your W2. Not a huge amount, barely a COLA but more than zero.

As others have said, retro is not guaranteed and don't think in a new CBA it is not part of the total package, it is. Meaning, we have to "buy" it back. At least that is what our ALPA Nat'l Professional Negotiator says in his video, and I tend to believe him as it makes sense to me.

 

I'll cut and paste a few sections and you can make your own determinations. I still find it amazing that they were able to complete this section in this very limited TA!

"f. other pilots designated by the MEC Chairman; provided, however, the
total number of pilots removed under Section 18.A.1. shall not exceed
10, except with the Company’s agreement."

Boy, I hope they pick me!

b. Notwithstanding Section 18.B.1.a., during their terms of office, the
MEC Chairman, Vice-Chairman, and Secretary-Treasurerthe pilots
listed in Section 18.A.1. shall not bid lines in their respective aircraft
and seat position. They shall be compensated XXXXXat the pay rate of their
seat position and longevity,XXXXX based on the number of CH established by
the MEC. The MEC shall advise the Company each year by the end of
the November bid period as to the monthly credit hours for each
Officerpilot for the following year. In no event shall this CH number for
the new year be greater than the system-wide average of the highest
lines with carryover XXXXX in the Officer’s crew position XXXXXX for the current
calendar year (the cap for the upcoming calendar year shall be derived
from the system-wide average of the highest linelines with carryover, in
the bid periods of January through December of the current year,XXXXX in the
Officer’s current domicile, aircraft and seat).XXXXX

Not sure how to cut and paste deleted text, but the text inside the X's were deleted. So, it appears to me (not being a lawyer), that these pilots (including the 10 friends) are paid no higher than the SYSTEM WIDE average credit hours of all lines (even for aircraft they can't hold, possibly the 777?). Now it isn't based on what you bid (or what you can hold), it's the system wide average of the highest lines with carryover.

You don't see any of this as a change?

 

selective highlighting by you! The MEC decides and it was explained at a hub turn meeting that I attended that the "system wide" was added to make the limit, based on not each "seat" held by an Officer, but was changed to simplify the limit, there is only one limit. Yet the carry-over and seat language is present today and the MEC can raise/decrease pay via a policy manual change, irrespective of ANY of the changes in this TA.

This is what I got from the explanation:

MEC Officers get paid ONLY what they hold (no super seniority) and at the CH amount determined by the MEC policy manual. Meaning no change, unless done via a policy change by the MEC and the MEC alone.

The 10 pilots include the listed ones as well (officers, national reps etc) so there are only about 4-5 "extra" ones available. Those were added to allow the Unions business to be conducted and require FDX to allow those pilots to be removed from flying and compensated at the rate, once again, determined solely by YOUR MEC. Again, makes sense to me. We control all of it though our elected reps.

The reason I said contact your rep, is you obviously are not comprehending or believing me and the other posters. Whether that is for political effect or stubbornness I don't care, just pointing out you should verify with the source before you make "factual" claims.

from the MEC manual:

F. COMPENSATION AND GUIDELINES
1. The compensation and work guidelines for the MEC officers will be reviewed and
amended as appropriate by the MEC. Prior to the election cycle for the officers, the MEC
will make a determination for each officer position as to whether that position will be
assigned to full-time or part-time duty with the Association. Any change to the duty
assignment of an individual officer prior to the end of the current term will be made by
the MEC in consultation with that officer.
2. MEC officers assigned to full-time duty with the Association shall be governed by the
following policies.
a. Work
(1) Fifteen (15) office days are required for a 4-week month.
(2) Nineteen (19) office days are required for a 5-week month.
(3) Weekends do not count as office days unless actually worked.
(4) Union business out of the office (out of town) counts as a day for a day.
(5) AFB trips count as workdays.
(6) PDO trips do not count as workdays unless required for currency.
(7) When all three officers are on full-time duty with the Association, to the
maximum extent possible, the officers will coordinate their schedules to
ensure that at least two officers are scheduled to be in the FDX MEC office at
all times.
10
(8) To earn a “work day” credit, the officer must be at the office for at least five
hours of that day, or the required commute to/from his home of record
exceeds five hours, or performs assigned union work while at his home of
record a minimum of six hours in a day. Workdays computed under these
guidelines would be limited to two (2) days in a four-week month and three
(3) days in a five-week month. The assigned work at his home of record
would have to be approved by the two other officers. These days would be
reviewed and accounted for by the FOC in their semi-annual report.
(9) The Financial Oversight Committee (FOC) will forward to the MEC a semiannual
“look back” report covering officer travel, vacation, AFB/PDO, sick
activity, MEC expenses and other issues as required

g. Flight Pay Loss and Override
(1) Officers will bid in a pay only status.
(2) Officers will be compensated at the rate of ninety-eight (98) CHs per month,
calculated in accordance with Section 60.M.2. b. (4). of ALPA policy, the
MEC having determined that this compensation falls within the parameters of
this ALPA policy. This compensation will be based on the bid status of the
MEC officer.

 

No but I do see why will never be able to trim Carry Over even during 4A2b.

 

the company controls carry over, not the union. Although we should in the next CBA!!!! Whether in 4a2b or NOT.

 

If I put it in the next wilson poll will it have a better chance than when I put it in the last wilson poll.

 

it will be in mine!