UPS Trade with open time
 

First of all, I am venting here so forgive me! Why on earth does a trip trade get denied for lack of reserves, when the trip falls on the exact same days that the original trip was on???? I read the IPNN today and find the company is blaming the union. This place never ceases to amaze me in anything they do.

Second, anyone who is still looking to get a job here someday in the distant future, needs to really to take a hard look at themselves. They are not happy until you're not happy, has never been more true here. UPS will go out of their way to try to make this job as painfull as they possible can. I know I should have this fugured out by now, but good Lord people, how does this place stay in business???????? It should not be this hard to trade a trip that was equal time for same days!!!

OK, venting over, time to go try and trade away some more bad trips for some not as bad trips!!!:D

[QUOTE=UPSFO4LIFE;995448]First of all, I am venting here so forgive me! Why on earth does a trip trade get denied for lack of reserves, when the trip falls on the exact same days that the original trip was on???? I read the IPNN today and find the company is blaming the union. .................................................. ...................
It should not be this hard to trade a trip that was equal time for same days!!!
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Sounds like UPS Management uses the same Trip Trade Software as FedEx:D

That is because the place is run by a bunch of d-bags. I laugh reading the Bar and Grill listening to guys say how they think Mitch Daniels is going to change the culture at ups. If you buy into any of this BS then ups wins.

You expected the online, no human involved, computer trade to not have controls in it. UPS will never give up control. We have gone from getting trip trades done to all being rejected. Sure they are blaming the union, we negotiated the system into the contract and insisted that they implement it , our people threatened the union for not going ahead with it.

It's pretty lame that's fo sho! There goes a junior pilot's only hope for getting a somewhat decent schedule. I don't think it's just UPS...since I have been in this industry, things have gone from bad to worse. No wonder noone is getting their pilot license.

It's not Daniel its Nichols and his side kick Calzonni the Cappazzeli the kneecap. He's been on kissy touchy campaign since he got his new position and been telling everybody how things are gonna be for the better. OMFGYHGTBFWM.

Thanks for the correction, I had a brain fart, must be ups rubbing off on me. Either way ups will not change, hopefully we don't have IPA guys buying into this endless drivel.

My guess is that they are making the schedules as painful as possible so that when they push PBS as an improvement, we will jump at the bit to vote for it. This place is so whacked it leaves me speechless. Next guy that see's Nichols please ask, why if this place is so great, why then over a dozen of guys that are still flying and not furloughed have current app in with FedEx?

Also heard that, Fred is actively recruiting current UPS MD-11 FO's in ANC, any truth to this?

I would really like to know when a current (not furloughed) UPS FO actually gets a job at FedEx, resigns their seniority and leaves.

FP,
It has already happened, look for a resignation letter on the B&G soon. This job isn't all that its cracked up to be and I am sorry your husband is stuck at regional but working for these Jack Holes does not make me happy, even though the pay great. So before you start with how great this place is and how lucky we are compared to others, I would say given the opportunity to be hired at FedEx, I would leave tomorrow. I am sorry you don't think so, but that is my opinion.

Pretty ballsy move Shaggy. Personally, I couldn't do it. I'm too old, and don't feel like starting over at the bottom again. 1st year pay, a return to the 727 panel, and Memphis just aren't in my plans for the near future. I don't care how bad the management-pilot dynamic here at Brown is, the pay cut would be significant and painful. Maybe if I was 35-40 yrs old, I would consider it.

I had my chance at FedEx back in 2000 when they called me twice for an interview. Since I already had my dream job at Delta, I said "no thanks." So much for my cloudy career crystal ball.

If you're really considering the move, I hope you get it, and wish you the best.

Arch they are hiring directly into the right seat in ANC on the MD-11, thats what my sources are saying. This place could be the best in the business but not sure I will see it in my life time. BTW your welcome for the trip, I figured you like CGN more than I do! LOL

That's great. Is FedEx hiring directly into their HKG domicile too? If only I were younger...

BTW, thanks for the 100 hour layover in CGN. If you do end up getting hired over there, at least I won't have to check my VTO bid 10 min before closing anymore!

Maybe, you can take the train to AMS.

MD11 openings
 

In the last posting 47 ANC MD11 F/O and 98 MEM MD11 F/O spots went unfilled. The latest posting has 37 and 98 spots open respectively (so FedEx decided to shrink ANC by 10 F/Os) These should all be available to new hires. MD11 type ratings right to the front of the hiring line.

OOooooooook, thanks for putting words into my mouth. LOL
I don't think this place is "great" and the company is really putting the screws to us that is for sure. If you say you would leave for FedEx I would hope you have your application in. I will be honest and say that my man and I have had discussions about me putting my applications in at SWA and FedEx but I came to the conclusion that the job that is on top today may not be the top job tomorrow. All it takes is a few changes in management and POOF! Personally I would rather roll the dice here than jump around from job to what I may think is a better job and end up 45 years old at the bottom of a seniority list somewhere. I sincerely hope you get an interview at FedEx because I am assuming you have your application in.

BTW, can you please find the post where I actually said that this place is "great"? I'd love to see it.

Why is it that pilots are so short sided?

Rah rah United is the best!

Rah rah Delta is the best!

Rah rah UPS is the best!

Now it's FedEx.....

If all you guys babbling about how great FedEx is know that this is the place that will lead you to retirement (with unicorns and lollipops up your a$$ the entire time) and it's so wonderful, why weren't you telling us this 15 years ago?

In 5 years when FedEx has their issues, you'll be going on and on how Airline X is the place to be, blah blah blah.

FedEx should try to hire as many currently qualified UPS MD11 FO's that they can. They then should run one large class and have them start on the same day. UPS is already short on everyone, this would push them over the edge.

You are correct except if you are at UPS it is not now and will never be the best. The only thing good about it is the pay and the crews we work with. UPS airlines has had a 23 year history of sucking it is not going to change.

Welcome to my world ! :D

And a few others for sure

little bit of thread-jack,,
 

wanted to ask the brown boyz about layin over in sdf this weekend. Never been to louisville before. Usually like to go shoot my ffdo piece at a local range, anything close to the motel "brown",?? tanks in advance,, back to normal programming.

Anyone notice how much Open Time is available on the FO side across all domiciles? I believe it will be interesting how it gets filled. Of course there are a few out there "helping out".

I was hoping the recalls would start by June-August timeline, but as those dates rapidly approach, I see no indication of UPS blinking first!:mad:

You don't need a range in Louisville, just find some back road somewhere.:rolleyes: As far as the crew hotel (Holiday Inn).....stay away from that place. The water is TERRIBLE!!

If you are talking about the Brown hotel, it's about 4 stars above our crew hotel, so we would not know what is around it to do. UPS would never allow us to stay in a hotel as nice as the Brown anywhere domestically.
I'm not an SDF guy, but I think the Brown hotel is located downtown.

My only complaint at UPS is the furlough. Yes, I would categorize it as a great job. I've gotten some raw deals from scheduling, but I've had 10x more great breaks such as displacements. I'm way ahead in the end.

My requirements for it being a great job? Fantastic pay, excellent training, superb mx and airplanes, tons of time off, and a great safety culture. The company has responded to the Flt 6 tragedy in an admirable way. What else is there for them to do?

Don't be miserable at UPS. Life is way too short. Obviously perspectives determine your opinion. I'm just saying from my perspective as a junior FO, life is great in SDF. I'm near the bottom on my seat/fleet and I can't touch reserve, which tells me that those more senior are on to something.

If this isn't a "great" job I can only imagine what one must be like. (And no, I'm not mgt. Just stating my opinion and that of most of those with whom I fly.)

Ready for the arrows.

Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? :rolleyes:

The Brown is located downtown. UPS crews used to stay in the Brown.

I agree but in 2004-2007 when we were hiring, we didn't have a shortage of applications and I'm sure a lot of guys were thinking this was their #1 choice. That's all I'm sayin'

Every few years it's the flavor of the week. Now it's FedEx. People are so shortsighted it's unbelievable. What will the flavor of the week be in 5 years?

I have to agree with you here Lil J. Before Shaggy quotes me as saying "great" job, I will say I don't think it's "great" just due to the fact of the horrible mgmt vs. employee relations. I would love to have unicorns and lollipops shoved up my butt all day long like at SWA apparently, but I accept that it is not this way here and live my life enjoying my family since life can end unexpectedly (I lost my mom in 2009 at 56 years old). Sorry but I don't want to die full of hatred and of a heart attack from something I cannot control. Anyone get my drift?

If I were a UPS captain I would not be taking p6 jumpseaters who have no licenses. I would not take any managers jumpseating for airline business other than flight related. "The furlough changes everything" and if our captains enforced a jumpseat policy UPS would notice. Why the IPA doesn't highlight the fact that it is capt's discretion on all p4 and higher jumpseaters is beyond me. Why there is zero peer pressure to not do favors in this manner is absurd as well.

They will fill the trips in the following order:

1. Break up trips if possible
2. JA FO's
3. Utilize Reserve FO's
4. Use management crews to fill it
5. JA Capt's to the right seat
6. Use Crew members currently on the road and kick the bucket down the road.
7. Meanwhile they will wipe their a$$ with our contract Break it and tell someone to fly and grieve it

A few of the trips might go unfilled, but unless there is a substantial increase in net flying hours (10% or more) our Furloughees will remain out on the street.

This is a leadership issue. If they claim they are worried about being sued they aren't looking into word smithing it properly. If they're too busy to do that, ask them what in the world they are doing with the hours of service your dues is buying.

They can simply say, "Fly the contract and, btw, here are some of the items that are TOTALLY at your discretion." They could post the same message every month just after the list of those on Furlough. Do you think its important to never forget them? I do.

Highlighting your rights and responsibilities under the contract is not a work action. It's actually good stewardship of the union. There many types of messages that should be coming out about the importance of getting your furloughed back. Have you seen that type of correspondence?

Sounds like grievance has a bad reputation in the IPA. Maybe you should shift some resources toward improvement.

Coming on here and saying it's a great job might be construed as giving up on the furloughed. Why do you think current IPA'ers have apps in elsewhere? Certainly isn't about the payrate. I always thought you guys were cohesive but that reputation is slipping away quickly.

I agree.

The insane part: Line holders are working as Super Reserve crew members. I know at other airlines if that happened, say you are a line holder and get rescheduled while on the road, because they cannot assign an open time trip to a reserve crew member (In our case there is no one available). So they give that open time trip to you and assign your original trip, which the reserve crew member can fly to them. If that happened at other carriers, the line holder would not only be paid for their original trip, but the new trip would be paid on top of that above guarantee! If that were the case here, I don't think that practice would be used here for very long.

I hear people complain about this all the time!

I think your ASSumptions are assinine especially the comment about the furloughees.

When FexEx had 4a2b (or whatever the name of forced reduced guarantee was) going on, everyone was griping about FedEx. Now that it's over, everyone apparently forgot and is toting about what a great place it is. You guys have horrible short term memories.

I once said that I would take a paycut in order to keep everyone on the property and I was given a ton of grief about it. Now I'm supposedly giving up on furloughees. MAKE UP YOUR MIND PEOPLE!

Yes M, we catch your drift.

Like you, I don't want to have an ulcer over something which I have no control. I've come to accept the fact that pilot-management relations at UPS will always be adversarial. They're the "suits," and we're the peon laborers. If management wants our opinion on anything, they'll give it to us.

I honestly think that the adversarial "attitude" is too deeply engrained in the UPS corporate culture to change in the near future. There is absolutely nothing we can do about it. If there is to be a change in the corporate culture, it has to start at the Scott Davis level in some sort of doctrinal shift on how UPS treats and values its employees...and I don't see that happening anytime soon.

On another note...evidently you've been lending some of your unicorns and lollypops to Seinfeld lately because according to him, everything is peachy at UPS except for that little furlough thing. I love the comment about the great safety culture at UPS...that's rich.

Great safety culture? Are you serious. I don't know where to start on that one!

Glad things are so great for you!

I wasn't talking about you specifically. Perhaps things would be different with you as IPA Chairman.

4a2b implementation was poor. Poorer still is furloughing just to increase the dividend. I don't think anyone would say otherwise. Are we arguing about which contract has more loopholes?

Maybe the silent majority can figure out a way to rise up against the selfish baby boomers.

Funny thing about baby boomers. They are the ones picking up ot and taking JA. They are the ones taking non-pilot, non mx, and non-licensed jumpseaters. The baby boomer 88ers are a unique group. Never has there been a more undeserving group blessed with absurd riches through chance. If they clamped down on the joy riding around the system by the boxheads, we'd have our furloughees back sooner. If asking for a jumpseat is equivalent to asking for a favor, why are we doing favors for mgt? But they are so quick to treat the capt's decision as sacrosanct. We gave Mitch a ride to ANC when he should have been on United. Maybe it's easy for me to say my capt should deny the seat to a boxhead, but the furlough " changes everything", right?

You are so full of it:) If it wasn't for the ** guys you wouldn't have considered coming to work at UPS, the money would be terrible , the work rules would be non existant, we have to put up with you junior guys crying about everything and doing nothing but telling us what we should do for you. We view you as weak.