Fed Ex tail strike... again.
 

Fed Ex strikes again... Tail strike that is.

Whats with all the landing mishaps with the old MD-11 by the boys in purple and no other MD11 operators?



NTSB Identification: DCA06WA072
Scheduled 14 CFR Part 121:

Air Carrier operation of FEDERAL EXPRESS CORP

Accident occurred Thursday, September 14, 2006 in Subic Bay, Philippines
Aircraft: McDonnell Douglas MD-11, registration: N623FE

Injuries: Unavailable

On September 14, 2006, a Fedex MD-11, N623FE, suffered damage to the aft portion of the airplane as a result of a tail strike while landing at Subic Bay, Philippines.

You'r about a week late!:rolleyes:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/showthread.php?t=5912

We are the Largest operator of the MD-11. We have more than other airline and fly it to more places throughout the world than anybody.Thus we have a lot more exposure. We fly some extrememly long and in my opinion the hardest schedule in the industry. Nobody does what we do, with the exception of our brothers/sisters at UPS.

We are also the largest operator of the MD-10 (actually the only operator I believe) which can be flown in concert with the MD-11 i.e. same type rating, but in many pilot's opinion a different Jet.

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ups banged one up pretty good on landing...it cost them a fortune to get it back in the air, probably more than it was worth, but it avoided the hull loss...still a perfect record..on paper...

Pilot7576

Captjns I'll tell ya whats up with the landing mishaps. Its called a "good old-fashioned blunder,a screw-up".

What the he11 are you talking about! You have no facts, no DFDR info, no WX info, etc, etc, etc and you want to hang the crew. You know something we don't or ya just a hairpin trigger, hang the crew kinda bonehead idiot.

When we want your opinion, we'll give it to you!

Fedex landing "blunders" are starting to be the norm(Subic, Newark,etc,,). Im just looking at the track record. Go jump on the other guy that previously posted and made all the excuses(long trips, hard trips,, whatever).

Ok "whaledriver" , it is easy to Monday morning quarterback. Have you ever flown a 481,500 lb airplane into Subic Bay before? I have and in the weather and even on a good day when the deck is stacked against you. So "f" you and your "good old-fashioned blunder, a screw-up" quote.

[QUOTE=RedeyeAV8r;62541] We fly some extrememly long and in my opinion the hardest schedule in the industry. Nobody does what we do, with the exception of our brothers/sisters at UPS.


Come on over to my Airline Dude...You'll go run'n with your tail between your legs when you see how and where we operate our DC-10's and 757's...Cheers

don't get excited fr8hauler..he is probably some embry-riddle student playing on this message board in between star trek reruns...

Hey Whalepoop ...

I know for a fact that FDX, ALPA, NTSB and Boeing are spending some major bucks analyzing mountains of data. Maybe you could hire yourself out as some sort of aviation consultant expert know-it-all and solve this problem. I'm sure all concerned will be happy to hear that you have found the cause of the accident for them.

Thanks for your insightful input anyway.

Regards ...

Mark

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Is there a company safety initiative yet on these landing incidents? Or is it still below the radar?

HeavyDriver - Which airline would that be?:confused:

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Heavydriver...

Where would that be? I don't claim to fly the hardest schedules but staying up all nite is hard in itself.

Pilot7576

Lets just say it's a Supplemental Airline that takes your flying duty to the limit and then finds the gray area...I remember one flight where I saw the sun set, then rise to set again...Stayed on the aircraft as DH crew for another 8 hours, only to ride a van for 2 more hours to a hotel that my body only saw 6 hours in before my crew had to be at an airport for commercial travel back to the States for the next duty assignment...And of course coach seats back to the states on one of those not so service orientated US Airlines that Hubs from ATL...Now try doing that with 12 Flight Attendants in tow...And I have to add those 12 FA's have lost that customer friendly attitude towards the passenger and cockpit crew before I was born!...Oh did I add that one of the destination runways was 6000 long and less then 100 feet wide? At least my cell phone worked in that far away place so I could chew out my fleet manager for not terminating my employment a month earlier...lol.

I know we all have it tough flying in an industry that only the pilots seem to care about...The grass seems to always be greener "over there" and I bet there is someone out there with a worse schedule and pay then mine...I've had my resume's and Apps at all the "high pay'n gig's" with no luck...Who needs an experienced widebody international pilot these days anyway when you can have a college intern...But I do get to go home to a nicer world!...Cheers

My brother,

Its ALL relative!!!!!:rolleyes:

Maybe you should try to get a job at an airline that has a union to protect you from that sort of hard schedule? Oh ... and landing on that 6000' runway, you are my hero! Maybe an aviation god?

Geez guys/gals....be easy on the dude.
He/she did say they were trying to get a better job.

Don't get into a ****ing contest with a supplemental pilot. Trust me on this. I did 24 hours straight in the right seat of a DC-10 once back at brand G. (Why didn't we stop? Our only chance was in Lagos.) Oh yeah, the pickup was at midnight. And yes, we eventually voted the union in.

Also, 6000 x 100 is impressive - just like we used to take MD-11's into Quito at night (9200' msl with big rocks on three sides).

I came away from supplemental flying with a great respect for what those guys do. Just like I am awed by the swiss watch that is FDX....

Sticks and Stones......Besides what union could help a pilot group with less then 300 pilots?...None!...Also I call in sick alot...lol...So I do my part keeping others in the OT (Over Time) green...And Quito is a walk in the park dude...lol...(Kidding) So if you want to play who fly's the hardest trips...We both lose...I still salute those dudes flying under powered pistons at night...

Oh I don't know... I enjoyed flying into Dominica with the good old reliable 727. Getting out was even more fun.:)

Yeah but did you land at Canefield?

You mean the 4700' major jetport? Yeah

"Stupid is as stupid does......."

Are we supposed to be impressed by this? Sorry, it doesn't impress me in the least.

Grow a pair and just say NO.

Wrongo!
 

That would be Melville Hall. Canefield is 2600'. Landed a C207 there in 1982 to pick up a load of breadfruit.

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Best of luck on your job search ! Champion Air is an ALPA carrier, with only 160 pilots, all you gents and ladies have to do is get organized. I used to be one of those dudes flying underpowered pistons (DC-3) by night,and by day,it was wonderful flying by the way.

Back to thread......

Any more infomation or a picture of the Subic MD?

Do you think it has something to do with not having a college degree???

Just a thought.

What does having a college degree have to do with anything?? I didnt know flying skills were acquired from a book.

Heavydriver
Who needs an experienced widebody international pilot these days anyway when you can have a college intern.

Most of those so called "college interns" have military training AND experience
PLUS a degree.....its 90% of the 121 carriers....there is a REASON.

Well, when you have tens of thousands of pilots to choose from, why not narrow it down a little by only selecting guys willing to buckle down and get a degree. The military and all majors (including FDX and UPS) require one.

uh, SW doesn't.

Its a matter of supply and demand. In the '80s and '90s airlines were waiving the 4 year degree and in some cases even a 2 year degree wasn't required. While the degree is important for work in other fields of earning, it ain't going to protect the ace of the base from crumpling his jet into the ground.

and that is why they have to fly 15 legs a day!!!

Although SWA doesn't say they require a degree, if you looked at their new hire classes, there very rarely is a pilot in it without it.

Having a college degree shows dedication, intelligence and maturity. These qualities, and many more, are not frowned upon by the people in the hiring department.

I'm not saying that college is the only way to attain these qualities, nor am I saying all college grads have them, but it does make you look better on paper.

MWright,,

As a college graduate you think more of my "dedication,intelligence and maturity" than I do. I pride myself more on my "work ethic and know how and skills". None of which were learned from the university I graduated. But you are right in that it looks better on a piece of paper. Having the degree is just part of the game.

I agree that those things are important as well, and both are requiried for success in this industry.

Just curious, what do you fly and where?

Maybe SWA doesn't require it's pilot applicants have a college degree to apply but I'll bet dollars to donuts that the Pilots getting hired there all have one.
A college degree that is.......

BTW what does all this have to do with FedEx and the SFS tail strike?

Relevance???
 

Maybe the pilot flying during the latest tail strike didn't have a degree...:rolleyes: