I could never imagine leaving ANY pilot stranded let alone one of my own half way around the world. Not sure exactly how it works but I would hope that someone called that Captain in to his office and chewed him a new one.

Karma aint just a river in Egypt.

I think I would be very careful about a "back channel intervention." I think you could be getting very close to harassment and violence in the workplace. Not where you want to be.

MG2

What's the big problema? 72 guys take two jumpers all the time. Sheesh! :)

I'm curious MG2. Since you previously advocated leaving a fellow crew member trying to get to work behind so your crew could be more comfortable, what would you say to Pro Stan if they contacted you for doing just that?

BTW, agree with you about the above implied threats. Not the way to go IMO.

I thought that was "de-nial"..??? :D

Can't see them - the cockpit lighting is too poor

Can't smell them - already reeks too much

Definitely can't hear them

Really, it's just as if they weren't there.

PIPE

Freight...I am NOT advocating leaving anyone behind. I simply said I would take 2 additional jumpseaters when I was double crewed. Sorry that doesn't sit right with you.

But to your question, what if Pro Stan contacted me? First of all I can't believe they would even get involved. No matter what SM did, and what I might do in the future, if I'm acting within my authority as PIC, I just can't believe Pro Stan would even consider intervening. But if they did, I would tell them, just as I stated in an earlier post, that I felt that two additional jumpseaters on a flight over 12 hours was the right mix between getting our guys to where ever they want to go and not having my off duty crew having to wake sleeping jumpers just to get a seat in the back. Just a caveat, if some guy emailed me at the last minute with a "do or die" request, I'd certainly accommodate him. I'm not a total "tool."

Again, I'll tell you this is all just a non-issue. In 16 months on this airplane, I've never had more than one guy at a time want to ride (Asia to MEM) and of course I said yes. It's just not an issue. Most of the riders are from MEM to ANC and I'm more than happy to load up the jet since we're not augmented.

MG2

So, you are admitting to being a "tool" - just maybe a partial one?? :D

Lemmee see if I've got this right...

If you have 4 operating crewmembers (including yourself), 4 crewmembers who wish to jumpseat, and 8 seats and two bunks on the airplane, you'd leave two jumpseaters behind simply because you don't want your operating crewmembers to have to wake up jumpseaters when it's time for shift change?!?!

In that case, how do you feel about your crewmembers having to perform the onerous duty of waking up the crewmember who will relieve him?

I can fairly confidently assert that the sleeping jumpseater won't mind being awoken to accommodate the off-duty operating crewmember.

The fact that you have the RIGHT to be a d!ckhead, errrr "tool", doesn't include the obligation to be one.

Nite...thanks for you kind words. I'm really glad we can just agree to disagree without the personal attacks.

MG2