FEDEX Negotiating Committee Bragging out TA
09-27-2006, 08:20 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by nightrider
I've read your t/a and with the exception of scheduling, pay, vacation and b-fund retirement (a-fund was all you) , yall definitely kicked our ass.Still Luv u guys tho
Do you really think your Work rules and Scheduling are better than ours?
Ours certainly aren't worthy of a rumble of thunder from the heavens, but give me some examples of where yours are Better.
Vacation? Come on. Ours is better.
Pay, as concerned with pay published rates.I can't argue, except I guess we will have to compare w-2s at the end of the first month.
09-27-2006, 09:43 AM
#12
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UPS makes more than Fedex. They can HAVE the highest payrates IMHO. I hope they get even more next time. That way...we can say..."well...UPS gets that much...and they make money...why can't we?" I have no desire the be the bullseye on the cover of all the business magazines like Delta and United pilots were in 2000.
09-27-2006, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Albief15
UPS makes more than Fedex. They can HAVE the highest payrates IMHO. I hope they get even more next time. That way...we can say..."well...UPS gets that much...and they make money...why can't we?" I have no desire the be the bullseye on the cover of all the business magazines like Delta and United pilots were in 2000.
Look at what a domestic hubturner's w-2 is at both companies and compare days worked.
Do the same for INTL...........
Higher Hourly rates do not always translate into Higher w-2's
09-27-2006, 10:53 AM
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Redeye...
It's my understanding that if you conflict your vacation and drop more than your vacation is worth, it is up to you to make up the deficit. Is that true? At ups, they have to fill it in for you...you still get your guaranteed trip credit if they don't.
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Pilot7576
It's my understanding that if you conflict your vacation and drop more than your vacation is worth, it is up to you to make up the deficit. Is that true? At ups, they have to fill it in for you...you still get your guaranteed trip credit if they don't.
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09-27-2006, 10:58 AM
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Depends. If you have more vacation hours from your next vacation slot, you can expand and use those. If you have no extra hours then you will go into the hole on vacation and those hours will come out of your vacation time at the beginning of the next year. You will get paid your BLG regardless. They only difference is how many of your vacation hours are "spent". I think there is a limit to how far into the hole you can go, but I'm not sure.
You can also make up trips later to refill your vacation deficit if you would rather instead of taking the hit at the beginning of the next year. Then instead of getting paid for the makeup trip you just add hours into your vacation account to reduce your deficit.
You can also make up trips later to refill your vacation deficit if you would rather instead of taking the hit at the beginning of the next year. Then instead of getting paid for the makeup trip you just add hours into your vacation account to reduce your deficit.
09-27-2006, 11:08 AM
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Fxdx...
That is my point...when we drop a trip, we are GUARANTEED the credit for the trip. The company gets a chance to backfill your unused days, but if they can't, there is no penalty. If you choose to backfill, you only have to get within 5 hours of your deficit to satisfy the company. Most choose to roll the dice. Vacation buy back (company is doing that right now) comes at 6 hrs/day plus a premium (latest bid is 20 hr premium to get you to sell). So for one's week of vacation, the company is offering to buy it back for 62 hours.
I think your scheduling rules are better but ours improved a lot this time around. Our reserve rules improved a lot..so much so I probably won't be able to hold it anymore. Retirement still favors you guys I think, unless you're very young. The b plan at 12% for someone in their late 20's/early 30's is HUGE. 30 years of compounding to boot!
I think both pilot groups got deals they can crow about a bit. In either case, we're both laughing all the way to the bank considering what others in the industry are suffering through now.
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Pilot7576
That is my point...when we drop a trip, we are GUARANTEED the credit for the trip. The company gets a chance to backfill your unused days, but if they can't, there is no penalty. If you choose to backfill, you only have to get within 5 hours of your deficit to satisfy the company. Most choose to roll the dice. Vacation buy back (company is doing that right now) comes at 6 hrs/day plus a premium (latest bid is 20 hr premium to get you to sell). So for one's week of vacation, the company is offering to buy it back for 62 hours.
I think your scheduling rules are better but ours improved a lot this time around. Our reserve rules improved a lot..so much so I probably won't be able to hold it anymore. Retirement still favors you guys I think, unless you're very young. The b plan at 12% for someone in their late 20's/early 30's is HUGE. 30 years of compounding to boot!
I think both pilot groups got deals they can crow about a bit. In either case, we're both laughing all the way to the bank considering what others in the industry are suffering through now.
JMO
Pilot7576
09-27-2006, 11:10 AM
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What happens at UPS if you are unable to bid a trip in conflict with your vacation?
Originally Posted by Pilot7576
Fxdx...
That is my point...when we drop a trip, we are GUARANTEED the credit for the trip. The company gets a chance to backfill your unused days, but if they can't, there is no penalty. If you choose to backfill, you only have to get within 5 hours of your deficit to satisfy the company. Most choose to roll the dice. Vacation buy back (company is doing that right now) comes at 6 hrs/day plus a premium (latest bid is 20 hr premium to get you to sell). So for one's week of vacation, the company is offering to buy it back for 62 hours.
I think your scheduling rules are better but ours improved a lot this time around. Our reserve rules improved a lot..so much so I probably won't be able to hold it anymore. Retirement still favors you guys I think, unless you're very young. The b plan at 12% for someone in their late 20's/early 30's is HUGE. 30 years of compounding to boot!
I think both pilot groups got deals they can crow about a bit. In either case, we're both laughing all the way to the bank considering what others in the industry are suffering through now.
JMO
Pilot7576
That is my point...when we drop a trip, we are GUARANTEED the credit for the trip. The company gets a chance to backfill your unused days, but if they can't, there is no penalty. If you choose to backfill, you only have to get within 5 hours of your deficit to satisfy the company. Most choose to roll the dice. Vacation buy back (company is doing that right now) comes at 6 hrs/day plus a premium (latest bid is 20 hr premium to get you to sell). So for one's week of vacation, the company is offering to buy it back for 62 hours.
I think your scheduling rules are better but ours improved a lot this time around. Our reserve rules improved a lot..so much so I probably won't be able to hold it anymore. Retirement still favors you guys I think, unless you're very young. The b plan at 12% for someone in their late 20's/early 30's is HUGE. 30 years of compounding to boot!
I think both pilot groups got deals they can crow about a bit. In either case, we're both laughing all the way to the bank considering what others in the industry are suffering through now.
JMO
Pilot7576
09-27-2006, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilot7576
ptarmigan...
If you fail conflict bidding, you get 3 hrs per day of vacation.
Pilot7576
If you fail conflict bidding, you get 3 hrs per day of vacation.
Pilot7576
That's what I thought. We used to have something like that. Ours came about due to two issues:
1. Senior pilots could use one week of vacation, and, due to our ability to slide the vacation, knock out two 14 day trips that were in separate bid months. With 36 days, that worked out to most of the year at full pay.
2. Junior pilots were not able to utilize all their vacation, with reserve or shorter trips, they got the time off, but weren't really getting compensated for a weeks worth, etc.
For me, our current plan offers more flexibility and has been overall better. How does yours work at the two ends of the bell curve that I mentioned?
09-27-2006, 12:27 PM
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ptarmigan...
I agree that your plan offers more flexibility. If you don't have the bid pattern the corresponds to your vacation award, you won't be able to "max" it out. For the most part, being at the bottom of the list, you can conflict a full week every time (if you really don't care what you fly or sit reserve). If we could slide the days either way (how far can you slide them at federal?), it would give everyone more flexibility in bidding.
The name of the game for vacations here is conflict bidding. That is the reason we only have 3 hrs/day on days off. The more you conflict, the more ups will have to hire. I prefer more time off for the most part, but if they offer me 62 hours for a week of vacation, I would have to seriously consider it then. At 3 hrs/day, I want to drop a trip instead.
Basic difference in vacation...we have days that don't depend on trip credit, you have hours of vacation credit. Both ways work, there is just a different way to game the system to maximize time away from work.
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Pilot7576
I agree that your plan offers more flexibility. If you don't have the bid pattern the corresponds to your vacation award, you won't be able to "max" it out. For the most part, being at the bottom of the list, you can conflict a full week every time (if you really don't care what you fly or sit reserve). If we could slide the days either way (how far can you slide them at federal?), it would give everyone more flexibility in bidding.
The name of the game for vacations here is conflict bidding. That is the reason we only have 3 hrs/day on days off. The more you conflict, the more ups will have to hire. I prefer more time off for the most part, but if they offer me 62 hours for a week of vacation, I would have to seriously consider it then. At 3 hrs/day, I want to drop a trip instead.
Basic difference in vacation...we have days that don't depend on trip credit, you have hours of vacation credit. Both ways work, there is just a different way to game the system to maximize time away from work.
JMO
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