CaptainMark

will UPS buy your vacation + 24 hours if they need staffing say during peak? Buying vacations can be a huge if u elect too...an 8 day vacation period is 48 hours + 24 becomes 72 hours of pay for a weeks vacation if sold..NICE..again if you elect too...

RedeyeAV8r

It all depends.......Our vacation day vlaue is 6 hours per day.

Lets say a Junior pilot has 14 days vacation for the year in two 7 day blocks........a summer period in JUN and a winter period.

His total vacation BANK value for the year is 84 hours ,
14 days x 6hrs per day = 84 hours in Vacation bank.

How the pilot manipulates his bank is up to him.

Lets say the pilot bids and is awarded an INTL trip in June worth 72 hours.
He has 7 days of vacation worth 42 hours.......He can slide his days +- 5days to conflict or deconflict with that 72 hour trip.

If he conflicts with that trip, the trip gets dropped, he gets paid the credit value of that trip &72 hrs and his vacation bank is debited 72 hours......so for his next vacation period, he has 7 days worth of vacation but only 12 hours left in his vacation bank.

If he deconflicts his vacation from that trip, he flies the trip gets paid for the trip and now still has 84 hours of vacation bank intact.........although he does not get any vacation for this month but that was his choice.................but when his next 7 days of vacation comes up he can now has 84 hours of bank for a 7 day period....................in other words he can drop a whole 84 hours worth of trips....and get credit for them.

Another option after the monthly bids close.....if he wishes to drop or conflict with the 72 hour trip......he does this by sliding the vacation, but he doesn't want to go into deficit vacation bank.........i.e. he only wants 42 hours deducted, he can request a Make Up vacation trip out of the open time.......he can request a 30 hour trip (for exmaple) that fits his needs and it is awarded to him per seniority...

If the pilot is a workaholic......he can purposely deconflict all his vacation for both periods and at the end of the years get paid 84 hours or any positive vacation bank that he may have left.

Also when the company is short manned.like we have been for the last 8 years...........the company often offers to Buy back vacation. If they offer vacation buy back it is awarded on a first come firt serve ( seniority kind of) basis. You sell back whater vacation value you have for that month....@ 6 hrs per day.....like 42 for the above example. The company will add 24 hours to it for a total of 66 and pay you cash on the 15th of the following month.

We have other beenyoe like the ability to not only slide the vacation period + - 5 days but we can also Expand the vacation period.....into other trips but not to exceed 6 hour above your vacation day value.

Complicated but as you can see, very flexible with options for both the Work a holics and the TIME off junkies.......

You can do similar stuff if you want to bid reserve for a month when you have vacation. You can maximize $$ or Maximize time off..........your choice.

MEMA300

What is your reserve like. Ours isnt great but not bad. Essentially available 12 hours a day but have to get to the airport in an hour.

Pilot7576

MEMA300...

Ours is basically the same...went to 15 days vice 16...twelve hour callout versus 13..guarantee is still 75 hours though so that is a benny. Max 3 hr extension for duty, no turning out again outside your orig call window and some percentage moves that prevent turning you back out unless their coverage drops below a certain level.

Can preference trips on rsv (for commuters who want to get out on the company nickel instead of wasting away in the pad). Radar list (similar to your leveling) that uses tafb to keep away the strategic sick calls to avoid crappy trips.

Reserve lines are constructed to mirror the trip construction for the fleet and domicile. So domestic gets a lot of week on/week off and intl gets a lot of 15 day blocks.

All in all, a huge improvement (just getting close to where you're at now). I think rsv will go fairly senior once people start feeding at the trough again and realize it's one less day with one less hour for the same guarantee as line holders.

JMO

Pilot7576

KnightFlyer

Max buyback EOY 40%?

FXDX

Pilot: I guess I'm not explaining it very well. If you drop a trip due to vacation here you do get paid for it, it is part of your BLG (Bid Line GUARANTEE).

IF you drop trips worth more than the vacation you have, then you still get the BLG, but your vacation bank goes to negative. It can be offset with next year's vacation OR you can pick a trip(s) that you want to fly to replenish your vacation bank. It is your choice.

I think our systems are fairly similar we just use different terminology.

RedeyeAV8r

You are Correct........I was talking in basics,,,,,,

Pilot7576

fxdx...

We don't have a vacation bank, so it doesn't go negative. If you drop an 80 hr trip with your 7 day vacatiion, you get credit for the entire trip. The company can attempt to backfill on your days avail (days not covered by vacation), but regardless, you STILL get the 80 hours even if they cannot adjust ur line.

Pilot7576

130JDrvr

Pilot,

We have both days and hours in our vacation system. At 10 yrs you have 29 days of vaca at 6hrs per day for a total of 174 hrs for the year (2 1/2 four week months off a year). You will get every hour of vacation you have.

We can bid vaca in blocks of 7 days or more. If I have a 7 day vaca block, I can drop almost anything I want if I can hold the line that has the block I want to drop. ie. I can drop as little (bid a line with no conflict) or as much (bid a single 72hour trip) as I want. If I use more than the 42hrs associated with my 7 day block I will be short my next block of vaca that same amount. The diff is that I can go in and pic a trip of my choice to make up that amount. It's not up to scheds to give me a trip they want. Or just be a few hours short on the next block.

We can make up the shortage but I think it's kinda dumb to work an extra day to get an extra day off...

Also, it doesn't matter if you conflict with vaca block or not you can still move your vaca to drop the amount of your vaca block plus 6 hrs. Great for the junior guys as they get every hour of vaca every year.

Company can also buy back our vaca with a 24hr premium. I believe they pay you the next bid month. Don't know as I always use all of mine. Also, they company will buy back up to 40% of your intitial vaca bank if you choose not to conflict all your hours for the year.

Past....

ancreserve

"We don't have a vacation bank, so it doesn't go negative. If you drop an 80 hr trip with your 7 day vacatiion, you get credit for the entire trip. The company can attempt to backfill on your days avail (days not covered by vacation), but regardless, you STILL get the 80 hours even if they cannot adjust ur line."

It seems like a VTO vacation line with no expansion or buffer zone. I was JS with a UPS captain and he showed his calendar line where his vacation conflicted with a trip. UPS made him fly the first part of the trip and then DH him back to Louisville so that he was in base hours before his vacation week started. In his case they had no problem "back filling" him to work the rest of the month minus his 7 days vacation for a slacker like myself this would be a serious QOL issue