Just to tag onto this sentiment ... for the original poster.

If you are UNDER 35 and get hired at Brown, you MAY get to enjoy some of the good schedules and life style that Freighter Captain mentions in his post.

Over 45 and get hired, you will be below the bottom half in seniority for most of your career and you will never know anything about those great schedules he alludes too.

What about between 35-45 ... I wish I knew ! But its not looking good.

What some of the flames fail to mention, don't give up any seniority at another airline to come to the bottom at UPS ...

This is my 4th airline. I have never made it very far up any seniority list. But the last 4+ years at the bottom of UPS have been the hardest of my career on my health, family and marriage ... And I feel lucky. Because for 100+ pilots the career move to UPS has been financially devastating.

 

3-5 weeks, every 2nd or 3rd month???

Considering the bids consist of primary, secondary, and tertiary bids, wouldn't that leave 3 opportunities for conflict bidding per year, even for the most senior bidders? Hardly knocking out 3-5 weeks every 2 months for a junior person.

Myself? Well, I'm on my fifth year, and next bid period - in which I have one week of vacation - all I can hold is week on week off reserve in ANC. As for my week of vacation, I couldn't even get it to fall on one of those weeks of reserve. It only conflicted with one day of reserve. Whoopie!!! Hardly knocking out 3-5 weeks every 2-3 months.

As others have mentioned, $140,000 isn't even close for a new hire. Been here almost 5 years and haven't come close to that figure. Again, that is as a reserve, so per diem and int'l override are minimal.

I'm sure you mean well with your post, but it only underscores the difference between senior and junior.

 

Since your family member no longer works at UPS you shouldn't have a problem and the potential for a reference might help.
As to all the other comments. Look at every job like it may be your last , see if you fit and can deal with the way that you will live and what you will make, don't plan on a huge change in the way things are at any carrier. Living in domicile solves many of the problems with any schedule. If you don't want to live where the airline bases people a different choice might be best for you.
Good luck.

 

My brother has been a ramper in SDF for over 20 years. Per an email exchange with UPS's HR about 5 years ago, I could work at UPS as long as it was only part-time and of course that nixes me for being a pilot at Brown. She said that applied to any position.

That's ok, I am happy where I am now....as long as we stay in business!

 

The rule change allowing relatives of full-time UPS employees to work the sort as part-time employees only dates back to at least 2005.

 

J Dawg,

Year 2 F/O pay in January is $149 per hour. $149 times min guarantee 975 hours (13 pay periods X 75 hours) is.......

$145,275.

If you doubt this, check out the UPS/IPA CBA.

FC

 

$149 times zero = zero

 

Every 2nd month is not accurate, I take that back. Every 3rd month is, however. I'm a below-50%-ile seniority captain and I routinely turn one week of vacation into four. Here's a tip so that you can do it as well:

OOOOOOOWWWWWWWOOOOOOO | OOOOOOO (next bid period's first week)
[where O = a day off, and W = a work day]

Bid reserve or an international trip. Bid your vacation earlier so that it's the second to the last week of the bid period. Now bid a block of RSV days that has you working that second to last week. Bam, that gives you three weeks off using one week of vacation.

Now, bid the first week off of the subsequent bid period. Not hard to do unless you're in the bottom 10% or so in your domicile.

That's an easy way to turn one week of vacation into four weeks off.

 

Sorry to hear.

But the gist of this thread's posts was to steer people clear of UPS. I beg to differ. And if it's such a miserable job, I'm sure you're not coming back to UPS then are you?

 

5 years ago, UPS was considered one of the top 3 places to be a pilot.

I think that is no longer the case. Of course the pay is attractive, but the career outlook is not as good as it seemed few years ago (of course things always change.)

I'm sure there are plenty of pilots willing to work here, but that doesn't mean much.