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DaRaiders 03-18-2012 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by Flyinhigh (Post 1153699)
We have an established uniform policy spelled out in the FOM and on the Pilot Website. Part of your job as a FedEx Crewmember is to comply with this policy. However, there will always be a very small group within any larger group that will try to buck the system. These are the guys that show up with a red, white, and blue tie instead of the FedEx tie and then dare some one to say something. They come to work with nonstandard footwear just because they can. If they are willing to bend this rule, then what else are they willing to let slide? It reflects attitude. I saw this in the military all the time. Some folks would gripe and complain about the rules and then selectively decide which ones they wanted to follow. When they were called out for it, it was always "well that's stupid and I don't agree with it."
I agree that there are other, larger issues that need to be addressed, but, if uniforms at FedEx are that big a deal to you, then knock yourself out and fall on your sword over the policy. I guess there are some who believe that following all of the rules is caving in to "the man." Just a few rebels without a cause.

Your reading comprehension sucks. Nobody is advocating rebelling against "the man". The OP objected to the EMPHASIS that was placed on uniforms.

flextodaline 03-18-2012 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by DaRaiders (Post 1153733)
Your reading comprehension sucks. Nobody is advocating rebelling against "the man". The OP objected to the EMPHASIS that was placed on uniforms.

Thanks for the redirection.....I don't give a rats *ss about the uniforms. What I care about are our leaders that have vision that makes us a smarter and safer airline. Their myopic thinking that if we look professional, that will make us professional just makes my blood boil.

R1200RT 03-18-2012 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by Flyinhigh (Post 1153699)
However, there will always be a very small group within any larger group that will try to buck the system. These are the guys that show up with a red, white, and blue tie instead of the FedEx tie and then dare some one to say something. They come to work with nonstandard footwear just because they can.

I'll bet that if mgmt wanted to enforce the uniform policy it would be easy as I said earlier. When those shoes or tie cost the wearer $4000.00 dollars every time they are caught not complying with the policy they will comply quickly. My bet is just one or two guys will get hit and then the rest will fall in line.

Personally I don't think management cares that much and things will stay just the way they are now. :cool:

Popeye 03-18-2012 10:30 AM

What makes a Magic Trick so amazing is the magician gets you to look at the other hand.

I think that may be happening here with the uniform issue. I'm not suggesting we shouldn't be prepared to argue for this QOL issue , but I am beginning to sense that the other hand is getting ready to amaze us in very bad ways.

I'm seeing pairing construction that shortens layovers, block time is merging with synthetic time reducing our pay on the long haul flights, accepted fares are getting even worse if you can imagine that, hotel ammenities are evaporating due to low contracted hotel rates, airline frequent flyer mileage will soon be a thing of the past due to low contracted fares, the companies use of RJ and foriegn carriers with little to no leg room is driving some of us to jumpseat instead of taking the scheduled deadhead and dealing with the airport TSA hassles. Let me catch my breath, that was one long sentence, but by no means comprehensive!

The company is mobilizing for a major conflict and we are trying to guess which shell has a pea under it. Our own internal union issues are doing nothing to help unite our membership or to oppose some of the more relevant and some of the less relevant issues that affect us everyday.

We should enjoy this little COLA we just got this month, because I foresee us spilling some blood a year or so from now just to regain a fraction of the real estate we are losing now.

MaydayMark 03-18-2012 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by Popeye (Post 1153803)
The company is mobilizing for a major conflict and we are trying to guess which shell has a pea under it. Our own internal union issues are doing nothing to help unite our membership or to oppose some of the more relevant and some of the less relevant issues that affect us everyday.


I have often imagined (are you paranoid if they REALLY are out to get you?) that the company has a "formal" timeline that corresponds with contract negotiations. At "T minus X months, we'll do this ... at T - x1 months we'll do that, etc., etc., etc.," ... you get the idea. The ultimate objective being to distract the union from meaningful contract negotiations, use valuable union time/money assets and generally cause a prolonged distraction from important negotiations.

Let's see, "For every month we can postpone a new CBA we save $XXXM, so stall as long as possible ... Last time we were able to stall for MANY years."

To quote from the p.f.c. latest GWOE lecture, ""You have to give loyalty down, if you want loyalty up." — Donald T. Regan

olly 03-18-2012 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by Popeye (Post 1153803)
What makes a Magic Trick so amazing is the magician gets you to look at the other hand.

I think that may be happening here with the uniform issue. I'm not suggesting we shouldn't be prepared to argue for this QOL issue , but I am beginning to sense that the other hand is getting ready to amaze us in very bad ways.

I'm seeing pairing construction that shortens layovers, block time is merging with synthetic time reducing our pay on the long haul flights, accepted fares are getting even worse if you can imagine that, hotel ammenities are evaporating due to low contracted hotel rates, airline frequent flyer mileage will soon be a thing of the past due to low contracted fares, the companies use of RJ and foriegn carriers with little to no leg room is driving some of us to jumpseat instead of taking the scheduled deadhead and dealing with the airport TSA hassles. Let me catch my breath, that was one long sentence, but by no means comprehensive!

The company is mobilizing for a major conflict and we are trying to guess which shell has a pea under it. Our own internal union issues are doing nothing to help unite our membership or to oppose some of the more relevant and some of the less relevant issues that affect us everyday.

We should enjoy this little COLA we just got this month, because I foresee us spilling some blood a year or so from now just to regain a fraction of the real estate we are losing now.

Shack! This is typical management labor relation tactic. Used by management and politicians alike against un-united opposition.

Divert their attention, cause internal conflict and dissent on issues that stoke emotion - and forge ahead with their real agenda while everyone is spooled up over things that pale in comparison to what their true intent is.

"The only thing new in the world is the history you don't know", H. S. Truman.

The Walrus 03-18-2012 11:19 AM

Popeye, I feel the same way you do on this matter. We are just frogs that think they are sitting in a hot tub, when actually, the water will begin boiling soon.

2dogs 03-18-2012 12:23 PM

Exactly
 

Originally Posted by The Walrus (Post 1153825)
Popeye, I feel the same way you do on this matter. We are just frogs that think they are sitting in a hot tub, when actually, the water will begin boiling soon.

No that it matters what I think -- but I agree with you Walrus (Popeye and Olly as well), but what do we do?? I don't agree with the Union dissension, and I believe it's wrong to "backdoor" your bro's, but I personally don't think I'm getting much for my $300+/month. The recalled MEC members did/do have a valid point.

USMCFDX 03-18-2012 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by MaydayMark (Post 1153811)
I have often imagined (are you paranoid if they REALLY are out to get you?) that the company has a "formal" timeline that corresponds with contract negotiations. At "T minus X months, we'll do this ... at T - x1 months we'll do that, etc., etc., etc.," ... you get the idea. The ultimate objective being to distract the union form meaningful contract negotiations, use valuable union time/money assets and generally cause a prolonged distraction form important negotiations.

Let's see, "For every month we can postpone a new CBA we save $XXXM, so stall as long as possible ... Last time we were able to stall for MANY years."

To quote from the p.f.c. latest GWOE lecture, ""You have to give loyalty down, if you want loyalty up." — Donald T. Regan

Unfortunately this really does not sound all that implausible.

onetime 03-18-2012 01:03 PM

I wonder if the NTSB will find our outerwear or our shoes causal in the next accident/incident here at FedEx? Fatigue or crew rest might be mentioned once or twice.


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