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AFW_MD11 11-24-2012 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by MX727 (Post 1298200)
FOQA is about how the overall airline is doing. ASAP is about the crew and the protection afforded to them.

From the FedEx ASAP MOU:

4. APPLICABILITY. The FedEx Express ASAP applies to all flight deck crewmember employees of FedEx Express and only to events that occur while acting in that capacity. Reports of events involving apparent noncompliance with 14 CFR that are not inadvertent or that appear to involve an intentional disregard for safety, criminal activity, substance abuse, controlled substances, alcohol, or intentional falsification are excluded from the program.

14 CFR is the Code of Federal Regulations - Title 14: Aeronautics and Space (aka - FAR's)

MEMbrain 11-24-2012 10:05 AM

And pilots here wonder why we have the reputation for being flying cowboys that we do. Those guys better make their story that they "forgot" to lower the gear, because they are hosed on ASAP if they don't.

FLMD11CAPT 11-24-2012 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by MEMbrain (Post 1298266)
And pilots here wonder why we have the reputation for being flying cowboys that we do. Those guys better make their story that they "forgot" to lower the gear, because they are hosed on ASAP if they don't.

We have that reputation because that was the Encouraged corporate culture here for the first 25+ years of FDX flying. The expected "Measure of the Pilot" was over the marker at 250kts, drop everything and land. Tremendous energy and resources have been expended to change that culture, and change it has. I would like to think this incident was an anomalous oversight. :(

MD11Fr8Dog 11-24-2012 10:44 AM


except to the Gatekeeper, if he chooses to contact the crew.
There you go. ;)

FXDX 11-24-2012 11:31 AM

And of course there is absolutely no way that, in this day and age, a youtube video could have been edited or doctored in any way, right?

av8rmike 11-24-2012 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by FXDX (Post 1298310)
And of course there is absolutely no way that, in this day and age, a youtube video could have been edited or doctored in any way, right?

Tin foil hats and black helicopters... What's the benefit of doctoring the tape? Where's the angle? Occum's razor (and historic precedent) would not support your implication.

DeadHead 11-24-2012 12:35 PM

Looks like there are a lot of tools out there who like to play amateur FAA inspector on their downtime. :rolleyes:

MaydayMark 11-24-2012 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1298338)
Looks like there are a lot of tools out there who like to play amateur FAA inspector on their downtime. :rolleyes:

I wondered if it was a plumber on the roof of his apartment building (not that there's anything wrong with that) filming airplanes with his daughter's iPhone :eek:

MX727 11-24-2012 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by AFW_MD11 (Post 1298240)
From the FedEx ASAP MOU:

4. APPLICABILITY. The FedEx Express ASAP applies to all flight deck crewmember employees of FedEx Express and only to events that occur while acting in that capacity. Reports of events involving apparent noncompliance with 14 CFR that are not inadvertent or that appear to involve an intentional disregard for safety, criminal activity, substance abuse, controlled substances, alcohol, or intentional falsification are excluded from the program.

14 CFR is the Code of Federal Regulations - Title 14: Aeronautics and Space (aka - FAR's)

Understand. The "Big 5" will be excluded regardless of whether the event is sole source or non-sole source. I think we are all on the same page here.

Albief15 11-24-2012 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by av8rmike (Post 1298316)
Tin foil hats and black helicopters... What's the benefit of doctoring the tape? Where's the angle? Occum's razor (and historic precedent) would not support your implication.

Occam's razor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or "Occam". Had to google it myself a few years back when a pretty funny/sharp NWA check airman used it as a moniker.


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