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China Southern so cheap they wont deice

Well nothing more fun that being held hostage to a flight crew that doesnt think physics applies to them. During the recent snow storm in NRT, I was deadheading out on China Southern flt 386. We boarded and had a clean wing, but soon started to accumulate. From boarding to takeoff, was approx 2hr and the company never deiced. I was sure we were going to get squirted at the end of the runway but the pilot whipped onto the runway and immeadiately pushed up the power. I would estimate we had 2inches of clutter on the wings on takeoff roll. At 10000 ft we still had 20% of the wing covered with ice. See links for photos. First one was about 60 minutes before takeoff when he configured. By takeoff it was 2 to 3 times as thick. Second picture is during climbout after about 10minutes.

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psa47fccd5.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/...psee32e5b1.jpg

I know Fedex wants to save money on airfares, but this was outright dangerous, and I feel lucky to be alive. There were four fedex crewmembers on board this flight that might not have been here if Boeing hadn't made such an awesome wing on their 737. I've filed a ops report as have several of the other guys, I just hope we stop using these guys. Pl

Wow. Glad everyone is ok. Not good.

I would do more than send in an ops report. I would call the FAA and find out who in Japan you could send them too. This needs to be fixed now!

I think I'd send those photos (and your narrative) to BM and JB too.

MG2

As well as the union and Sig.

Air Florida redux. :(

This is UNACCEPTABLE! All CZ flights should be rebooked on another airline ASAP...

Holy ******snacks!

Unacceptable.

Get those pics to the union ASAP.

FDX ALPA needs to warn anyone with a DH on CZ to rebook with anyone else, and forget the stupid accepted fare.

Sort it out later, but no one should ride them now.

I'm happy to send this issue to the Union, but who would I contact that can get movement on it. . . Everytime I've made a call over there I get a msg machine and a call back whenever... That's why I posted it to the forum.. Thought people would want to know faster than the usual info line.