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cp44fla 01-18-2013 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by 4A2B (Post 1333384)
you must have been living under a rock :), it is in the news even today due to the push for limiting or banning PED's. Just google it but to answer your Q it was the former carrier based in Minnesota.

What does Performance Enhancing Drugs (PED's) have to do with this topic? Was Lance Armstrong part of that Northwest crew? Guess I shoulda watched the Oprah interview.

Purpletailed10 01-18-2013 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by 2dogs (Post 1333712)
I'm thinkin' that little birdie is crappin' in the wrong tree because I'm still DHing on them next trip. :confused:

Just had the pairing I'm on at the moment changed by the company.
No longer deadheading on CZ they switched me to Asiana, so I'm guessing the rumor about CZ being taken off the approved list is true.

Thanks to the O.P for documenting his issues and making things safer for us all and thanks to the company for doing the right thing.

KC10 FATboy 01-18-2013 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by MaxKts (Post 1333402)
Not living under a rock! I just don't remember any part of the story that said they overflew by 200 miles. In fact, the FAA's reference to 150 miles is an exaggeration!

Who knows, before the end of the year it will probably be; they overflew by 500 miles and landed on fumes with one engine flamed out and a flight attendant at the controls because the crew was passed out drunk and flying in their underwear! :rolleyes:

To be fair to the guys in question (who no longer have jobs), they didn't overfly. ATC made them fly past the airport and populated areas to perform a series of confidence maneuvers. Every knows what they did wrong but nobody has heard the story of what ATC and the company screwed up. Remember, it is almost always a chain of mistakes that lead to an accident.

sunburn 01-18-2013 10:53 PM


Originally Posted by Purpletailed10 (Post 1333744)
Just had the pairing I'm on at the moment changed by the company.
No longer deadheading on CZ they switched me to Asiana, so I'm guessing the rumor about CZ being taken off the approved list is true.

Thanks to the O.P for documenting his issues and making things safer for us all and thanks to the company for doing the right thing.

I have just heard through indirect channels that over 1100 DHs have been cancelled on China Southern. I'm not sure when the decision was made or by whom, but I do think that it is a good move for us at least temporarily until this issue is resolved. As above posts suggest, this might have been a singular error of the crew and not a culture at this airline. I just didn't like being the one having to "ride" it out.

One thing that does bother me is that I'm not sure if it was my actions of the ops report and emails making this change, or was it this forum..... All I know is that I still have not received any formal response even to let me know that the ops report or emails were received in the first place. That I find disconcerting.....

FrontSeat 01-19-2013 12:18 AM


Originally Posted by sunburn (Post 1333973)
All I know is that I still have not received any formal response even to let me know that the ops report or emails were received in the first place. That I find disconcerting.....

Are you sure you don't wear brown pants?

2dogs 01-19-2013 02:37 AM

DH Changed
 

Originally Posted by sunburn (Post 1333973)
I have just heard through indirect channels that over 1100 DHs have been cancelled on China Southern. I'm not sure when the decision was made or by whom, but I do think that it is a good move for us at least temporarily until this issue is resolved. As above posts suggest, this might have been a singular error of the crew and not a culture at this airline. I just didn't like being the one having to "ride" it out.

One thing that does bother me is that I'm not sure if it was my actions of the ops report and emails making this change, or was it this forum..... All I know is that I still have not received any formal response even to let me know that the ops report or emails were received in the first place. That I find disconcerting.....

Same here, DH changed to a more respectable carrier. Thanks sunburn for your ops report -- more than likely that's what got the company's/association's attention. I've only ever submitted one ops report and I received feedback in about 3 days. I submitted it on a Saturday and received a reply on Tuesday.

CactusCrew 01-19-2013 03:35 AM


Originally Posted by FrontSeat (Post 1333978)
Are you sure you don't wear brown pants?


Impossible, his company already took proactive action and rebooked future DHs ... ;)

FDXLAG 01-19-2013 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by sunburn (Post 1333973)
... All I know is that I still have not received any formal response even to let me know that the ops report or emails were received in the first place. That I find disconcerting.....

Might be some legal concerns they have to run through the lawyers before or if they respond.

DYNASTY HVY 01-19-2013 07:14 AM

Don't know why this was'nt brought up but the question I have is why the O.P. did not address his concerns to the crew upon arrival at dest.?

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trip 01-19-2013 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by DYNASTY HVY (Post 1334144)
Don't know why this was'nt brought up but the question I have is why the O.P. did not address his concerns to the crew upon arrival at dest.?

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I was wondering the same? Hey Capt WTH?


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