He could've tried this
 

Chinese for "what the hell"=究竟想怎么样!
Say it to the Captain, then the cop, then the judge, then the jailor, then the nice guy from the embassy say's it to you :)

Just conjecturing, but if they flew out of radio coverage with ATC, as frequently happens, they might have noticed the flashing acars msg or selcall chime. I've had it happen in the middle of the night when ATC forgets to hand you off and you fly out of coverage, and gotten an acars msg to contact ATC on xxx freq from dispatch.

Again, true, and don't disagree. As KC10 pointed out, most of us will never know what REALLY happened as far as the extent to which company/ATC tried to reach them.

Whether it was ATC calls that may have gone unnoticed, an ACARS that went unnoticed, ATC trying to relay to another aircraft to contact them as frequently happens, trying to reach them over guard/121.5, etc etc etc etc........

I agree. To get back to the subject, it's good to see that FDX did the right thing and cancelled their DH's on CZ. It would be nice if UPS did the same thing, but all they look at is the savings by using a cheap airline. I'd be happily surprised if we did it as well, but certainly not holding my breath.

Should there be a list?
 

Another useless list .:rolleyes:
BI must have needed the advertising revenue .

"But I saw all the Chinese airlines taxi out, line up and off they go."

Yep, standard practice. FWIW, I flew for Air China (A330 skipper) for 3 years and nearly every time we deiced it was under protest from the remaining (Chinese) crew. I insisted on deice one night from PEK when the jet had been parked in SN for 24 hours and had snow on the wings up to the top of the fuse and the guys still tried to pretend "we be ok captain, no need for deice".

Also, when you do convince them to deice, they use Chinese made fluids that do not adhere to any standards and they make up whatever holdover time will get you away without delay. And the engineer will tell you its whatever type fluid you asked for.

"Is it type baked beans fluid"

"ahhhh yes captain, thats what it is"

And the engineer will meet you at the crew bus and try to convince you that the wing is clean, no need for you to check and will follow you around hoping you dont take a peek at the wing from the mid cabin windows.

In many many ways these guys just dont get it!!!!

Rant over, sorry, now its back to my post Chinese contract therapy!!!!!

Calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean, calm.........

Oicur, when I worked at another (South) Asian carrier (not my most recent), I would just start snapping pictures when something like that happened. The situation usually got rectified pretty quickly. In this case the video will do some good, at least temporarily. OP would do well to avoid China for awhile, though.

Oh, yeah. Well done. :)

As for confronting the crew ... the folly and danger of doing such a thing in totalitarian China has already been mentioned. Note also that the English skill of many Chinese pilots is atrocious, at least among those flying domestic routes . They likely wouldn't have understood you.

rotorhead

"The situation usually got rectified pretty quickly".

I flew for several South Asian carriers also (probably same as you lah) and these sorts of issues would slowly get solved also. One by one.

But not in China. Presenting a picture of a wing covered in snow and ice to your supervisors in a Chinese airline is not viewed very well. What would appear to a westerner to be an attempt to highlight a safety deficiency would be seen by a Chinese manager as questioning the honesty of the people charged with dispatching the jet.

Reads like some of the event report replies I have gotten