I heard it will be status quo, UPS and the passenger airlines already have a small piece of the pie.

Can't be true, the van driver this morning didn't know anything about it.

Will not be status quo.

Aflouisville, why don't you go back to work or is this what ups manglers do these days?

I'm retired. Have been for a while. Thank you!

Results are in:
 

My contact at the US Postal Service (Postmaster Hon. Wilfred Brimley) told me the announcement will come out this friday, and the results are:

1. FedEx - 20%
2. UPS - 20%
3. Pax airlines - 10%
4. DHL - 10%
5. TNT - 10%
6 Menlo - 10%
7. Emory - 5%
8. Zantop Air Transport - 5%
9. Skybus Airlines - 5%
10.Mississipi Valley Airlines - 5%

There's a university moving mail? ;)

2 actually, Emory and Mississippi Valley.

It is the Government you are missing about 80%.

You will get nothing and like it

Thats all great, anyone know what the "old" numbers were?

What the heck would we put on any new airplanes? We don't need the lift. We could probably grow some business but at the risk of it disappearing the next downturn. UPS is averse to risk as they should be.

Postal is the wildcard. It's my understanding we currently have 5-10% so getting 30-40% and adding 20+ 2day air flights would be game changing.

Nothing personal Baghdad Bob. You're just the typical pilot who thinks he is smarter than everyone else. Remember I'm the night school MBA. What I learned is everyone thinks they can outdo management. The fact is that UPS makes billions doing what works and that has nothing to do with anything we postulate.

this is from 2010 - I have removed contracts that were not for air cargo e.g. trucking and other support contracts.

complete list here:

http://www.huschblackwell.com/images...iersFY2010.pdf






Rank - Supplier Name -FY10 Amount
1 Federal Express Corporation $1,373,140,689
3 Kalitta Air LLC* $371,823,791
12 United Parcel Service Co* $95,068,821
13 Continental Airlines* $92,632,025
16 United Airlines Inc* $86,937,922
21 American Airlines Inc $66,295,225
33 Delta Airlines* $45,703,455
45 Alaska Airlines $33,496,067
53 Japan Airlines Co Ltd $26,145,901
54 US Airways Inc $25,128,394

there are more airlines but I got tired of cut/paste

These numbers are total bogus. FDX currently has 85% of the contract. There is no way they will lose that much. FDX will maybe go to 60%. And that might be pushing it.

UPS will go from the current 2% to about 15-20%.

UPS 19.5% :p

If, as you say, you "...used to enjoy seeing your [my] Davis Doctrine theory develop...", then you'd know that it's not personal with me regarding Davis. Being a MBA you of course know the ONLY purpose of the CEO and the BOD is to maximize shareholder value...period. I point out that Davis takes that charter as seriously as you take yourself...hell I'm starting to get a broner just basking in your business acumen myself. ;)

OK...I'll summarize for you so you don't take me any more out of context than you already have.

Up until Davis, the leadership of UPS, while hard core knee breakers had an obsession with the concept of servicing the customer at all costs, as well as cost control and top heavy, overbearing management. But they had all worked their way up the ladder, and indeed bled brown to the core.

Davis OTOH has approached the business in a new way, borrowing from several disciplines, not the least of which being the actuarial table/holy book of the insurance industry. Now, for example a far larger number of service failures are not only acceptable (they were never in the past), but are artfully leveraged to enhance profit. They used to have resources (planes, trucks, people) at the ready (flying "failsafe/chrome dome" patterns) during the NDA outstation launches and actually would launch a Lear for one package. Now, they have all the drivers out until 8PM, have reduced reserves dramatically, are shoving ten pounds into five pound bags with us and countless other things which reduce what once was the oracle of the company...servicing the customer. Now its all about increasing the dividend at the expense of everything else. Service takes a distant back seat...Casey is rolling over in his grave.

And then lie to the customer about the cause of the service failure knowing (from insurance companies) that many people will not jump through the hoops to get their refund. I had a package not make it from LA (ground shipment) during hurricane Sandy, and they blamed it on the hurricane and refused to refund...I live in northern CA. But I got MY refund.

Do some research about how much debt UPS now has, as opposed to virtually none in the old days. Most of it is being used to buy back stock, not enhance or grow the business.

Bear in mind I have a pretty large chunk of stock and dividends are good...I'm a capitalist. But I have far more invested in the growth of the air side of this company, and apparently unlike you give a crap about those below me on the list...my captain seat is safe...unless Davis really does Gecko this place. I don't just carry an IPA card like you, I actually know what that means.

Oh...and speaking of which, it wasn't know-it-all pilots who created the financial collapse, it was Harvard MBAs...so don't break your arm patting yourself on the back, sport, it's getting older than you.

BRAVO !!!and i'm not even a UPS guy.

[QUOTE it's getting older than you.[/QUOTE]

Bob,

Sadly, he's not old at all. Fairly young, actually. I hope he never gets involved in union business, otherwise we'll be screwed.

Oh great...a new Falujan with the same academic credentials that brought the world economic system to its knees.

I bet he has a signed picture of Davis in his bedroom...sigh.

+1

Picture of Davis LOL

Wonder what we could make with a management that engages its employees and treats them like an asset ?

Do they teach that in night school MBA classes ?

:D

No...but they teach the opposite at union busting school. Part of Lil' Norman's problem may be Stockholm Syndrome, or that because he took a night school MBA he is now a defacto CF/EO and now likens himself as more than a mere know-it-all pilot.

he should be happy to have a job and kiss all the brown shoes ... is it really this bad ?

We have guys licking boots before we get into negotiations. Just for an iPad ?

:rolleyes::D:D

Postal contract announcement by Friday!!!

Friday of which week, month and year????

He meant last Friday:D

I mean this Friday!!!

No, no...that's where they announce that Hemko still isn't chief pilot.

Reading the tea leaves indicates postal contract gains could lead to pilot hiring.

NURPs most likely...

Do yourself a favor and apply to an airline. The money is good at UPS for now.....everything else sucks.

Expectation Absolute Zero, sadly however, I think this may be our last and final hope for anything good to come to this pilot group. Even more sad, I'm cautiously optimistic that we may have been awarded up to 4.7% of the contract

Blame it on the NURPS. Without them. No furlough. Better Catering. iPads.......and on and on.

No NURPS. Better QOL.

Things are on the upswing! Upgrade may happen by the 10 year point again. Unless.....the UAVs start showing up, which I fear more than UPS management.

Reminds me of: Animal House - All Is Well! - YouTube

Quite the opposite, Baghdad Bob. I busted my ar$e getting an MBA around deployments and tdys. I don't know squat about why they do what they do at UPS. And Hemko? That guy is a caricature from an SNL skit.

I just find it astounding you think you have it all figured out because you work here and read some business articles. Your take on UPS being leveraged and its consequences is all wrong btw. Stick to what you know, which I presume is flying airplanes.

We should know Friday. I bet a month's pay a few years ago we would not furlough and I was wrong!

I just attended a college info meeting with my son. UPS was there trying to talk kids into their work/study and metro college program. I don't want to debate whether those programs are worthwhile. What struck me was what a tool the guy was presenting. He stressed the great culture of UPS and management opportunities. Then he mentioned under his breath that they hire 60 workers a week at SDF, which means 60 a week are quitting.

If the management/labor relations weren't so awful this place could mint money. Instead they try to treat pilots like they do 18 year old kids. Most of us learn early on to ignore the dbs and just fly the plane and go home. I feel for those who can't get past that.

When do the appeals to the contract award END?