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Originally Posted by Tuck (Post 1395614)

The company can only fill secondaries on this bid for HKG since there are zero vacancies. Unless someone voluntarily bids out no one can get awarded in.

FEPP guys can do a lateral bid on this - say A300F to MD11F, stop future FEPP but keep all received with no repayment. Take the money and run. I think...

So if what you are saying is true, no one can be awarded 757 mem or CGN either, because there were no vacancies announced. So where are all of the 727 guys going to go with all of the other crew positions showing an excess?

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Originally Posted by pinseeker (Post 1395806)

Good point - disregard my earlier one. So I guess there's no way to know how many people they will allow into CGN and HKG until it closes - like the Company's FCIF said and TonyC has alluded to.??? But...you can always rescind the offer if you get stuck with it and don't want it.

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Originally Posted by Fedex (Post 1395765)

I Talked to David T, contract enforcement on Friday and he said that there was a mistake on the first practice bid with the junior guy on the award was a mistake...

Ok, now it makes sense...just not sure how that happens though!:eek:

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Originally Posted by Tuck (Post 1395614)

The company can only fill secondaries on this bid for HKG since there are zero vacancies. Unless someone voluntarily bids out no one can get awarded in.

There are no secondaries on an Excess Bid.

Nobody can voluntarily bid out of HKG on this excess bid. There is no Excess declared in those seats, so they are not eligible to bid.

However, that does not preclude The Company from awarding seats in HKG. It's entirely up to them to decide what constitutes an excess there, and they can award seats right up until that point. It's a great unknown that The Company in its new Just Culture mindset is exploiting in order to scare people away from bidding for FEPP.

They say, "Bid what you want to fly." That strategy has merit. I say, "Know your contractual rights." It might require a little more work, but it might also involve a little more reward.

The B-767 Vacancy Posting is a different story. If a HKG pilot receives a B-767 seat award, he creates a secondary vacancy, and The Company may choose to fill that secondary vacancy ... or not.

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Originally Posted by Tuck (Post 1395614)

FEPP guys can do a lateral bid on this - say A300F to MD11F, stop future FEPP but keep all received with no repayment. Take the money and run. I think...

FEPP guys can not end FEPP eligibility by doing a lateral bid on this EXCESS posting. 2.f. of the Settlement Agreement applies to "non-excess, vacancy posting."

They can end FEPP on the subsequent B-767 posting. Be careful how you bid -- you may need to change your standing bid after the Excess Posting closes and before the Vacancy Posting closes.

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Good point Tony... Someone on the FEPP list can lateral bid on the Excess bid and continue with FEPP and not face repayment but for the Vacancy bid that is not the case.

I'm still not buying that the need for two separate vacancy and excess bids was merely a software issue.