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Butter 04-20-2013 11:08 PM

Posting 13-03 Practice bid - HKG
 
Can someone please explain to me how there are at least 20 people on the latest FEPP list senior to the last person on the practice award for HKG CA? :confused:

FXDX 04-21-2013 05:36 AM

They probably bid something else on the practice bid.

FDXLAG 04-21-2013 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by Butter (Post 1395320)
Can someone please explain to me how there are at least 20 people on the latest FEPP list senior to the last person on the practice award for HKG CA? :confused:

It really is simple. The company will do whatever is in it's best interest. The MEC may or may not fight them on it. If they fight, worst case for the company, they will cut a deal that gets them what they want and only cost them half what they would have had to pay in the first place.

4A2B 04-21-2013 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1395423)
It really is simple. The company will do whatever is in it's best interest. The MEC may or may not fight them on it. If they fight, worst case for the company, they will cut a deal that gets them what they want and only cost them half what they would have had to pay in the first place.

How would it be in their best interest to skip over pilots being paid passover?

There has never been a mistake on a practice bid, ever:rolleyes: My money is on computer error in the placement of that junior pilot on the HKG award.

FDXLAG 04-21-2013 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by 4A2B (Post 1395432)
How would it be in their best interest to skip over pilots being paid passover?

There has never been a mistake on a practice bid, ever:rolleyes: My money is on computer error in the placement of that junior pilot on the HKG award.

By scaring another couple hundred from getting passover.

I guess my point is just because the current language says one thing and past practice supports that current language; don't be surprised if the company goes a different way and bets they will win the grievance or the settlement will give more of what they wanted in the 1st place. Which came 1st the HKG passover bids or the FEPP language?

4A2B 04-21-2013 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1395442)
By scaring another couple hundred from getting passover.

I guess my point is just because the current language says one thing and past practice supports that current language; don't be surprised if the company goes a different way and bets they will win the grievance or the settlement will give more of what they wanted in the 1st place. Which came 1st the HKG passover bids or the FEPP language?

sorry I guess i still do not follow your logic, I do agree there is a scare tactic program in progress. The 20 pilots referenced in the OP are all on passover, which is in some cases 60K a year so with massive repayment if they do not bid HKG. There is no way all of them failed to bid HKG on this bid, practice or not. The only answer is an error, stay tuned. There is no need for a future settlement, we have one on FDA passover, hence the scare tactic because the Company wants to limit exposure to the settlement in place.

FDXLAG 04-21-2013 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by 4A2B (Post 1395446)
sorry I guess i still do not follow your logic, I do agree there is a scare tactic program in progress. The 20 pilots referenced in the OP are all on passover, which is in some cases 60K a year so with massive repayment if they do not bid HKG. There is no way all of them failed to bid HKG on this bid, practice or not. The only answer is an error, stay tuned. There is no need for a future settlement, we have one on FDA passover, hence the scare tactic because the Company wants to limit exposure to the settlement in place.

The virtual training letter was created after 100's earned Passover. The company does what it wants and then we react. Why should this be a any different. Absent specific language, it is up to the company to decide which would be better, manning HKG with guys already receiving passover or sending new excess bidders first. I m betting they will do whatever scares the most people off the FEPP list.

4A2B 04-21-2013 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1395511)
The virtual training letter was created after 100's earned Passover. The company does what it wants and then we react. Why should this be a any different. Absent specific language, it is up to the company to decide which would be better, manning HKG with guys already receiving passover or sending new excess bidders first. I m betting they will do whatever scares the most people off the FEPP list.

I think we are saying the same thing here. but your last sentence is still a bit unclear. The Company has the latitude to award seats or not in the FDA on this excess as long as no one is bumped out of the FDA. They can not pick and choose who goes, with the small exception that if anyone is in a seat not declared in excess then they are unable to move on this bid. End of the day there will not be additional settlement or deal like you said may happen, when it comes to passover they want to minimize their exposure, period, but have to follow the deal in place for anyone denied the FDA.

FDXLAG 04-21-2013 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by 4A2B (Post 1395562)
I think we are saying the same thing here. but your last sentence is still a bit unclear. The Company has the latitude to award seats or not in the FDA on this excess as long as no one is bumped out of the FDA. They can not pick and choose who goes, with the small exception that if anyone is in a seat not declared in excess then they are unable to move on this bid. End of the day there will not be additional settlement or deal like you said may happen, when it comes to passover they want to minimize their exposure, period, but have to follow the deal in place for anyone denied the FDA.

Since the criteria on how many seats is left to the company they can wait till they find out who is going before they decide how many seats they want. If they scare enough guys from adding to the FEPP they may decide no new slots at HKG. If they generate a whole bunch of new passover slots they may add 30 seats and start calling bluffs.

Falconjet 04-21-2013 10:49 AM

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