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Velcro Captain 09-11-2013 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by skeebo2 (Post 1481530)
Notice that the PBS PiBS memos are not signed.

This makes mgmt look like a COWARD.

Some one or group needs to take credit? blame for this.

I agree. If they won't put their name on it, they could at least hide behind a screen name with a really cool avatar. The screen name "Carlos Danger" might be available again and the avatar that goes with it would save them from writing all those words telling us what they want to do to us.

TheBaron 09-11-2013 06:02 AM

Dear Contract Administration:
 
It would be very easy to prove the truth of your statements. Fix our current PBS (or PIBS) system, ie. secondary lines, and show us how great your new system is. Until you can demonstrate that you can actually improve our lives and honor our VTO inputs, PBS by any name is not going to happen.

Full pull 09-11-2013 07:11 AM

This reminds me of 10 or 15 years ago when the company really cranked up the optimizer and and unified the crew force.

Patches 09-11-2013 08:46 AM

Direct negotiations requires a direct answer
 
Help me out with the Union protocols here....because I don't like sitting back and letting the company appeal to me directly without me being able to directly respond. Seems like they have invited me to tell them what I think - they started the conversation. I would like to finish it directly.

Wouldn't it be polite and prudent to send them (contact admin) 4400+ individual emails reminding the nameless author that they are full of sh!t?

I could just say on this board, or to another pilot, that "my negotiating committee speaks for me," but the proper person(s) are not getting the message.

Or, I could say directly to the source that matters:

"you are full of ****, please speak with my negotiating committee from now on...because that is the polite and proper way to proceed."

Thoughts on this strategery?

MaydayMark 09-11-2013 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Patches (Post 1481969)
Help me out with the Union protocols here....because I don't like sitting back and letting the company appeal to me directly without me being able to directly respond. Seems like they have invited me to tell them what I think - they started the conversation. I would like to finish it directly.


If you read this weeks ALPA Negotiating Committee update, you'd know that Management isn't getting the answers they want from the Negotiating Committee (good job guys!) ... thus, the full frontal assault on p.f.c.

Management is famous for negotiating directly with the crew force. IIRC, it was one of the chapters in "Confessions of a Union Buster."

Confessions of a Union Buster: Marty Jay Levitt, Terry Conrow: 9780517583302: Amazon.com: Books

If you haven't read this book ... you should. Much of what we'll see in the next few months will be directly out of the book. FedEx hired Marty Levitt as a consultant during prior contract talks ...

I wonder which management weenie get a big bonus if they sell us this cr*p?

Bulletboy 09-11-2013 09:46 AM

While they distract us with PBS, the man behind the curtain is really interested in the R&I. Health premiums and pension is the target. They know they wont get PBS this contract, but they can convince us, well, some, of a victory when non was had. To quote an old Devo song, "I say its all, just wind and sail." PBS that is!! Their tactic is already working.

golfandfly 09-11-2013 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bulletboy (Post 1482015)
While they distract us with PBS, the man behind the curtain is really interested in the R&I. Health premiums and pension is the target. They know they wont get PBS this contract, but they can convince us, well, some, of a victory when non was had. To quote an old Devo song, "I say its all, just wind and sail." PBS that is!! Their tactic is already working.

I agree 100%! It's just a smokescreen, they know this is a nonstarter. They are focusing on other areas (health care, retirement, and scope).

Everyone is up in arms about PBS. That's exactly the company's strategy. They are hoping we all claim victory when we fought off PBS, but lose much in healthcare and other areas. Stay focused!!!

Doogs 09-11-2013 11:35 AM

I confess to extraordinary ignorance of PBS, but the more they try to sell it, the more the hair on the back of my neck stands up!

seefive 09-11-2013 12:01 PM

None of it is working. PBS is a non-starter as is retirement and vacation. Good luck trying to change healthcare too.

My NC speaks for me.

FDXLAG 09-11-2013 12:04 PM

I don't think it is a side show or head fake, I think the company truly wants PBS. I think it would save them a fortune in insurance, retirement, vacation and reserve manning. I think they are even willing to share a much to small percentage with us. But as someone has said, 18% would be an insult for my QOL sacrifice. I do not trust the company to institute it and I am pretty sure we would lose all of the grievances.


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