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Originally Posted by olly
(Post 1600526)
any pilot that works for an airline that wants to be non-union, is totally ignorant of: a) historical airline-labor management practices, b) benefits of collective bargaining under the RLA, c) benefits of representation (or the lack thereof), d) impacts of being represented (or not) in legislative affairs, and IMHO, a complete fool.
In almost all hourly wage jobs, union members have better pay , benefits & working conditions than non-union workers. Boeing just eliminated their Defined Benefit plan, for non-union workers, because they could, even with record profits, and huge back-orders of jets, the non-union workers had nothing to blunt this and zero recourse to amend it. Unions are nice. They work really well when the unionized are highly skilled and not easily replaced by anyone off the street or moving production out of state, or in the UAWs case out of country. I would never dream of calling the VW workers in Kentucky fools. Remember Norma Rae? She is working at Walmart. Not to worry though, her agitator boyfriend has a nice gig as a party hack. |
Originally Posted by PicklePausePull
(Post 1600486)
....Company only interested in reducing labor costs. Intimidation has always worked with pilots. How many pilots have responded by submitting non-required notes from a doc?
The FAA requires you to do so. There may be other times, when a doctor may notify you that you are unfit --- however, he does not declare you "fit" in opposition to your personal assessment. Fly legally --- Fly safely! |
Originally Posted by PicklePausePull
(Post 1600486)
Alienating whom? Non-union pilots? Under Agency Shop? Non sequitur. Can't effectively happen since pilots must still pay their union dues. Seems like a straw man argument. Company only interested in reducing labor costs. Intimidation has always worked with pilots. How many pilots have responded by submitting non-required notes from a doc?
IMHO Albie was saying that there is a small portion that if given the opportunity would choose to not be in the union if the company did a few things different. He's not saying he agrees with them but that even they, in their warped minds are now disgruntled with the companies actions. That's how I took his post. |
Originally Posted by FDXLAG
(Post 1600559)
All excellent points but of course Boeing essentially eliminated some union positions, defined benefit and all, by moving some production to SC.
Unions are nice. They work really well when the unionized are highly skilled and not easily replaced by anyone off the street or moving production out of state, or in the UAWs case out of country. I would never dream of calling the VW workers in Kentucky fools. Remember Norma Rae? She is working at Walmart. Not to worry though, her agitator boyfriend has a nice gig as a party hack. Here's a very interesting article about how Germany's car companies compensate their workers more than american companies, yet have higher sales, and profitability- debunking the non-competitive status a union workforce puts on an company. http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederic...twice-as-much/ A tale of two systems | Remapping Debate |
Originally Posted by olly
(Post 1600718)
I think you meant the VW workers in TN. That struggle was heavily influenced by state and national political influence, and significant anti-union rhetoric from the TN statehouse.
Here's a very interesting article about how Germany's car companies compensate their workers more than american companies, yet have higher sales, and profitability- debunking the non-competitive status a union workforce puts on an company. How Germany Builds Twice As Many Cars As The U.S. While Paying Its Workers Twice As Much - Forbes A tale of two systems | Remapping Debate |
Originally Posted by PicklePausePull
(Post 1600486)
Alienating whom? Non-union pilots? Under Agency Shop? Non sequitur. Can't effectively happen since pilots must still pay their union dues.
Originally Posted by olly
(Post 1600526)
any pilot that works for an airline that wants to be non-union, is totally ignorant of: a) historical airline-labor management practices, b) benefits of collective bargaining under the RLA, c) benefits of representation (or the lack thereof), d) impacts of being represented (or not) in legislative affairs, and IMHO, a complete fool. Non-member, not on dues check-off ... Like the MEC keeps saying, there are only 2 teams in contract negotiations. By terminating his membership in our association, Non-member William McD. has made it clear whose team he is NOT on. :rolleyes: . |
Originally Posted by TonyC
(Post 1600870)
Y'all are talking about our System Chief Pilot, you know.
Non-member, not on dues check-off ... Like the MEC keeps saying, there are only 2 teams in contract negotiations. By terminating his membership in our association, Non-member William McD. has made it clear whose team he is NOT on. :rolleyes: . As a side note, unfortunately while our actual non members list shrink (grandfathered list) we continue to have a spike of retired delinquents and at no ones surprise it is once again about the money as some refuse to pay dues money on large checks as they retire. (e.g. vacation buy back). Leaving on a sour note and not having the ability to call the ALPA Office when one retires does not make much sense to me, unless of course it's all about the money.... |
Originally Posted by TonyC
(Post 1600870)
Y'all are talking about our System Chief Pilot, you know.
Non-member, not on dues check-off ... Like the MEC keeps saying, there are only 2 teams in contract negotiations. By terminating his membership in our association, Non-member William McD. has made it clear whose team he is NOT on. :rolleyes: . |
Maybe he can't afford losing his lunch money to bullies and pay dues.
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Originally Posted by TonyC
(Post 1600870)
Y'all are talking about our System Chief Pilot, you know.
Non-member, not on dues check-off ... Like the MEC keeps saying, there are only 2 teams in contract negotiations. By terminating his membership in our association, Non-member William McD. has made it clear whose team he is NOT on. :rolleyes: . Oh, how I love to hear my brothers and sisters say that. :rolleyes::rolleyes: |
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