Tony,

When did this happen?

I remember him being in a Union hub turn meeting listening to a discussion of the contract roughly 6 months ago!

Thx

"not on dues check-off"?

he is on the current "NonMembers Subject to Agency Shop" list.

can one be "subject to Agency Shop" & not pay dues?

He's a non member subject to agency shop... Forced to pay the "assessment."

Non members not subject to agency shop= no pay, grandfathered in cheapskates.

DCO (dues check off) non members = means they willingly pay the assessment, but for whatever reason, aren't members.

Pretty sure this I correct- anyone care to chime in if not?

Are management pilots required to become non-members, or is it a personal choice?

I'm pretty sure "O" was a member all during his reign.

Non-members not subject agency shop get the benefits of a union-negotiated contract and union representation for free. They pay no dues but reap the same benefits as those of us paying dues. We finance their union benefits. They laugh in our faces every time they come to work. They call us idiots every time members include them in dinners and drinks during layovers. They are beyond cheapskates; they are pond scum freeloaders.

The DCO crowd pays dues but for some reason (usually I think, they were members at one time but are venting about some perceived mis-deed by the union in their past), they choose to not be members of the union. I wish they would reconsider because as non-members, they cannot vote in elections nor do they receive the union-generated list of disputed pairings. From my small sampling of the DCO guys I know, I think they're smart (just not able to let go of a fight, I suppose) and I'd rather have them vote and be able to avoid DPs.

That's what I thought......what Tony C said about "Non-Member not on dues-checkoff" didn't seem correct to me - that's why I asked.

Tony's statement is correct. He could be a non-member but choose to be on dues check off. Merely a technicality because he has to pay them anyway. It just shows intent. Those non-members(not subject to agency shop) on dues check off, do it in case they join, they don't have to pay a giant sum. His way is stating IMHO, I don't want to be a member but you make me pay dues.

Ehh, not exactly. Tony misspoke. :o

There are 4 lists. The first is "Non Members Not Subject to Agency Shop". They were not members when we began agency shop and they were "grandfathered", allowed to maintain that status as long as they wish.

The second is "DCO Non Members Not Subject to Agency Shop". Like the first category, they were grandfathered. However, they have chosen to pay their monthly load by having the equivalent of dues withheld from their paychecks.

Looking back at the first list, the absence of DCO equates to Not on Dues Check Off. The same attribute cannot be accurately assigned to the third list, which also does not have "DCO" in the title.

The third category is "Non Members Subject to Agency Shop". These pilots were members when we became an agency shop, and are therefore required to pay dues or agency fees as a condition of continued employment. Unlike the first category, this title does not imply that the pilots are not on Dues Check Off (DCO). In fact, there is not a separate list for DCO or non-DCO, like the "Not Subject to Agency Shop" lists -- there's only a single list for Non Members, regardless of their method of payment.

If I understand correctly, these Non Members may choose to be on Dues Check Off, or they may choose to mail in their checks monthly. At the end of the year, they must settle their accounts with the MEC Secretary-Treasurer by verifying their assessable income, and by reconciling their payments for the year. This process is often drug out over several months, and the Secretary-Treasurer might be still working with some of these cases in the summertime. (It also happens to members on Dues Check Off for a number of common reasons. Since we pay dues one month in arrears, if we have a good month last month, but for some reason no income this month, when the dues are due to be paid, a member can become delinquent and not even realize it until he gets a bill from ALPA National at the end of the year.) So, a Non Member may be paying monthly, or he may be waiting to settle up next summer.

My foul. I made a mistake in assuming that the absence of DCO in the list title implied the pilots on the list are not on DCO. In fact, we have no way of telling by looking at that list. We also have no way of knowing if those pilots are actually paying dues, whether on DCO or not. The only people who know that are the MEC Secretary-Treasurer, and if the pilot is in arrears, his or her Block Rep.

I should have been more careful looking at ALL the list titles -- I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.


What I should have said is this:


And my apology to Non-Member McD if I hurt his feelings with my original assertion.
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semantics/lost in translation - I took "not on dues check-off" to mean he is no longer paying dues (in addition to no longer a union member)