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MeXC 12-02-2013 09:11 AM
Originally Posted by Whaledriver (Post 1531417)
The Jabara airfield manager said it has happened over 20 times in the last ten years, both military and civilian.
But how can that be?!

FlyJSH 12-02-2013 10:08 AM
Originally Posted by captjns (Post 1527850)
Yes it can happen, and it does happen. But why does it happen when there are two fully qualfied airmen, and sometimes three or four in the cockpit or a modern day jet with convential avionics to back up the automation?
Why not ask JVvZ, the 747 Chief Flight Instructor for a certain Royal airline headquartered in Amstelveen. He was so respected that management went looking for him to investigate (what was unbeknownst at the time) the crash that caused his own death.




Mistaken is the man who knows he is infallible.

Bilsch 12-07-2013 06:09 AM
This could have been worse. I am surprised nobody here has discussed the "twin just flew over us" part. I could hear it in the ATC audio.

I am surprised that ATC allowed anyone to land at any of the close airports until they determined where this heavy was sitting.

Nitefrater 12-07-2013 07:36 AM
Originally Posted by Bilsch (Post 1534879)
I am surprised that ATC allowed anyone to land at any of the close airports until they determined where this heavy was sitting.
Maybe the fact that Jabara is an uncontrolled airport and ATC doesn't get a vote has something to do with it.

Bilsch 12-07-2013 08:25 AM
Of course. "Allowed" was the wrong word. Maybe ATC should have alerted traffic in the area. They should have been in contact with all in that airspace.

Nitefrater 12-07-2013 08:43 AM
Originally Posted by Bilsch (Post 1534976)
Of course. "Allowed" was the wrong word. Maybe ATC should have alerted traffic in the area. They should have been in contact with all in that airspace.
Not even that... Jabara lies outside the Wichita Class C airspace. Anyone landing there should have been on CTAF.

Bilsch 12-07-2013 09:25 AM
The sun rose (more or less) in the east this morning.

Did I get that one right?

PeopleMover90 12-07-2013 09:29 AM
What ever happened to the crew ?

Spur 12-07-2013 02:54 PM
Originally Posted by Bilsch (Post 1535018)
The sun rose (more or less) in the east this morning.

Did I get that one right?
Not if you're in Wainwright, AK :D.

Anyway, the recording provided was of KIAB tower. I am sure they notified Wichita approach of the situation, and that would be the facility to make announcements to traffic in the area.

It is quite possible even a guard transmission was made, but was not included on the recording.

Jughead135 12-07-2013 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by Bilsch (Post 1535018)
The sun rose (more or less) in the east this morning.

Did I get that one right?
Sadly, no. The sun remained in its position (relative to itself); the eastward rotation of the earth merely made it appear to an earthbound observer as if the sun "rose".... :p


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