And no metal bent and no one hurt.

Mis,
Been over 15yrs since I was on the 72 so I contend I may have got the crew part wrong. However, I do specifically remember in ground school the biggest issue wasn't the landing at the wrong airport, but the actions after. And as for your third, I was offering that it happens everywhere for those condemning the actions. Also, if you would have read the entire thread, you would have seen my "spouting off" on judging and there by the grace of God. You are right, I will never know where I may find myself in a situation, and I don't wish this scenario upon anyone.

The biggest issue WAS the departure, but it was Not a "hey, nobody saw that so lets take off and not tell anyone" situation. It was bad headwork, bad judgement and WE were sleep deprived but it was was not a don't tell anyone situation. Management was called by us as soon as we got on the ground and then the games truly began. You don't ever think it will be you!
I never talk about a situation I'm not sure of the facts on, and neither should anybody!

seems like a lot of these happen around air force bases. just an observation. This one, the Macdill incidents in tampa, NWA had an airbus land at Ellsworth one time instead of Rapid City. I'm sure there are more

A few cases of planes landing at Barbers Point, Hawaii, instead of Honolulu.

That's exactly the incident I was referring to. Tough crowd today...:rolleyes:

Glad somebody else got it :)

Does McConnell tower have radar?

If they do have radar shouldn't they have seen their low altitude that far north of the field. Then issued a low altitude alert?

Also when did ICT approach hand them off to McConnell?

Do all ATC facilities have the capability of getting/giving low altitude warnings to aircraft? I've had a controller tell us to check our altitude due to a "low altitude alert". It turned out to be a false alert. But, it certainly got our attention. This crew clearly could have used one.

You have a great mind, my friend. :D

well said
 

well said.....

747 Dreamlifter lands at wrong airport
 

HOW can U land at wrong airport??? Its not a VFR flight! FAA should suspend their licenses for that insanity!

If you believe you could never land at the wrong airport you WILL be able to land at the wrong airport.

...what he said!

That is positively the "Stupidest" thing I have ever read.

Well, he asked how it differed from a regular -400.

What ever happened to getting all the facts before casting the first stone...

Some of you should ease up on our brothers, even our vaunted Nasal Radiators make a mistake from time to time.

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Looking at the approach plate for RNAV GPS 19L into McConnell, I noticed that the IF/IAF, WITBA, calls for 4000ft MSL and is about 8 miles from and 2600ft AGL above Col Jabara. The airport lines up for almost a perfect 300ft/mile approach to a 6000x100ft runway that is proportionally the same as a 12000x200ft runway (19L is actually 12,000X150, but signage and lighting for 300ft wide). I can see how its possible that they could get sucked in to seeing that field and just breaking off the RNAV approach and landing visually.

The mind is a terrible thing.....:eek:

Not hard. You break out of weather. Look for airport where you think it should be. If no ILS chances greater. Fatigue causes you to miss signs you are going to wrong field. You land. Can happen to anyone. Usually happens at an unfamiliar airport with a similar runway.

You don't really think that Atlas and the FAA are going to take the "Can happen to anyone" approach to this ... do you? I'm not sure you could explain this one in an ACTUAL EMERGENCY.

People (including innocent people on the ground), equipment (an awfully expensive airplane), facilities (are they lucky they didn't break through the asphalt?)? Questionable airmanship/judgement, insurance. Tons more ...

This is a HUGE DEAL!

You're screwing with us ... right :confused:

Not what he said...at all.

Nothing wrong with a little short field takeoff and landing practice... ;-O

[PHP][/PHP]The F/O, PF for the landing was later made VP Flt Ops at FTL, the Captain retired 15 years later as a B747 Captain.

OV-1 Mohawk-Seaboard World DC-8 lands at Marble Mountain- Vietnam.m4v - YouTube

One things for sure, pretty good pilots if you ask me...put that big beast in on a 6000 runway that's just wide enough for the gear and didn't put a scratch on it, no runway overrun, sounds like they had room to spare! Heck, 6000' looks a little short in an airbus, much less a freakin 747...good stick and rudder pilots if you ask me!!

That was awesome, did you see those flight attendants!? Definitely the good ole days...can we get them back?

Get them back? Just take a Delta flight to Europe. Same girls from that film are still working the flights.

That's the truth!!! :(

fwiw Atlas aircraft don't necessarily have a big US database loaded up. This could have prevented any approach displays on the mfd. don't know if that was so for this case. i flew to multiple US airports that weren't in the database and assumed it was because all the international data took up so much storage.

I'm really surprised that the consensus seems to be "Could happen to anyone" attitude. I'm not sure a private pilot in his Cessna could explain landing at the wrong airport? :confused: They make comedy movies with scenes like this!

And - it might not have been in his FMS Data Base? Doesn't the "DreamLifter" fly there routinely? How could it not be in the data base?

Does that mean that all the analog airplanes we've collectively ever flow (early model 747's, 737's, 727's, DC-10's, DC-9's) couldn't land at the "right" airport.

You guys are screwing with me ... right? :eek:

What about the FTL crew that landed at Bolton instead of Rickenbacker? I was a kid living in Columbus at the time.

Also, too young to have known about it at the time, but TWA landed at OSU instead of CMH.

100% totally agree. This is NOT "could happen to anyone". This is "could happen to anyone who doesn't load the approach and have situational awareness".

I'm not saying what these guys did or didn't do, we don't know that yet. But landing at the wrong airport, in a 747-400 or equivalent avionics, could NOT "happen to anyone".

Are you talking about KAAO or KIAB not in the database? KIAB would definitely be in the database or they wouldn't be allowed to shoot the RNAV approach (can't hand build anything RNAV). Plus they fly there all the time. If you're talking about KAAO to show up on the ND with ARPT selected, then I'll agree that it more then likely wasn't in there since it is a smaller GA airport.

I am assuming this plane has the PEGASUS FMC, so changing out navdatabases based on geographical regions isn't required. If it doesn't have the PEG and the airports were not in the database and they did in-fact hand build an RNAV approach, then that is bad for the crew since it is a big no-no and likely a contributing factor.

Will be interesting when the facts come out, should be interesting because everything is speculation right now.

Or Hawaii. You know, the "Hawaii Five-O" club.

Not because they're all 50+ years old, because they have 50 years of seniority.

I think it is the same analogy as saying "landing gear up can never happen too me".

Pan Am Pam.
 

Thought about "hittin it" last week in Rome...just so I could say I did. Fortunately the other FO was sober. God bless the Marine Corps.

I'm usually quick to jump on guys for speculating about accidents before the FACTS have been released. In this case no one was hurt, at least not that we know about yet anyway.

If ... "It could happen to anyone."

How come it's never happened to 99% of us (maybe more)? Should the 1% still have their licenses? :confused: It's been touched on very lightly here ... where was ATC? If the crew was, in fact, cleared for an Instrument approach ... why wasn't there a LOW ALTITUDE WARNING issued by ATC?

I can't think of a bigger screw-up (where people lived anyway).

Did they have to call in Boeing Test Pilots to get it out of there?

LMFAO....I think some are at us air too...I see them every time I'm jumpseating

Not to nitpick, but even controllers make mistakes ya know.

Remember LEX?

I've been in ORD and cleared to line up and wait, with an aircraft on final about 1/2 mile final. The list goes on and on where ATC makes mistakes ALSO.

It just sucks where there's a breakdown/failure of the system on multiple layers.

Been a few "almost" at GEG/Fairchild AFB.

KELP (El Paso, TX) and Biggs AAF (KBIF)

IAD (Dulles) & KADW (Andrews Air Force Base)

They're only 30 miles part and both have North/South runways!*? It could be easy to confuse them on a visual approach?

MIA & FLL look similar?

It would be a biotch to think you were landing in SEA but actually land in SLC?

The list is endless but we get paid to PAY ATTENTION and land at the CORRECT one.

What's next? ... Maintenance "accidently " mounts a 727 tire on my 747? I mean "it could happen to anybody." They look really similar and they're right next to each other on the tire changing rack! :eek:

We all realize that the news media doesn't know much about aviation and frequently gets FACTS wrong but this article makes the pilot (Capt?) sound pretty confused?

http://news.yahoo.com/jumbo-jet-mist...--finance.html