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frozenboxhauler 04-26-2014 10:43 PM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1630904)
Is the company requiring a note from the judge?

Well played, Lag!!!:D
fbh

Los1 04-27-2014 03:27 AM


Originally Posted by Albief15 (Post 1631046)
We know exactly how good we have it, and we are trying to raise to bar for the rest of the profession. Just as others at our carrier and others have done for us for years.

You are welcome.

+1............
You are most welcome

Gunter 04-27-2014 04:38 AM


Originally Posted by Anderson (Post 1631007)
You guys don't know how good you have it. There are thousands and thousands of us regional pilots that work every bit as hard as you do, while making 10% of your salary with astonishingly sub-par work rules, and you're here complaining about jury duty.

Seems like you're outraged because you're hoping one day to move up to a job that has better work rules. Really?

All of us would like to see regional pilots paid more. We are appalled at the conditions.

Jury duty non-reimbursement is unsat. Just another way to keep the worker down. The thought of it makes me ill.

Can you be sick AND on jury duty?

purpledog 04-27-2014 04:52 AM


In jurisdictions where a juror is required to stay in his city and call jury administration authorities daily to be available for jury assignment, a pilot shall be eligible for jury duty pay protection ..."
This is the part that matters depending on your jurisdiction. My court didn't require me to stay in my city. They didn't care if I was in Paris just as long as I showed up the next morning if needed. Obviously that isn't possible with our schedules. The company will actually pay protect you for call in duty if your jurisdiction requires you to stay local. We got nothing before per the CBA, now, at least we get 50%. I think this was a welcome gain.


WHY are we agreeing to half pay for a whole day of work?
The culprit here is whomever wrote the original language in our CBA because it did nothing for the pilot serving call in jury duty in most jurisdictions. Before you got nothing for having to drop your trips, now at least you will be getting 50% or 100% if actually used.

I'm not a proponent of hysteria. Those are the facts after consulting with both the company and my clerk of court. Sorry to ruin your MEC bashing.

olly 04-27-2014 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by purpledog (Post 1631230)
This is the part that matters depending on your jurisdiction. My court didn't require me to stay in my city. They didn't care if I was in Paris just as long as I showed up the next morning if needed. Obviously that isn't possible with our schedules. The company will actually pay protect you for call in duty if your jurisdiction requires you to stay local. We got nothing before per the CBA, now, at least we get 50%. I think this was a welcome gain.



The culprit here is whomever wrote the original language in our CBA because it did nothing for the pilot serving call in jury duty in most jurisdictions. Before you got nothing for having to drop your trips, now at least you will be getting 50% or 100% if actually used.

I'm not a proponent of hysteria. Those are the facts after consulting with both the company and my clerk of court. Sorry to ruin your MEC bashing.

I had this scenario in 2010. I was REQUIRED to phone muster every Tuesday at 1700 (L). On that phone muster I would be notified if I was selected, and if so, I was REQUIRED to be seated in the courtroom at 0730 the next morning (14 hours later), or be held in contempt of court.

I had a two 727 weeklong pairing that month, and it took several phone calls and emails, but I was fully pay protected for both trips.

When dealing with the flt ops admin workers, it took them a while to understand that I could not get back to my home town while on a trip, with 14 hours notice.

I was never selected, but every Tuesday I did have to call in and enter my juror number.

So back then the contract was upheld. It is very discouraging to see the company chip away at our contract, sick leave-pilot pushing, unilateral "accepted fares" etc. All the while they cry costs, as they execute $3.2B stock buyback.

vagabond 04-27-2014 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1630904)
Is the company requiring a note from the judge?

For a small fee, I will sign as many notes as needed! :D

kronan 04-27-2014 06:23 AM

Well Mr Anderson, the way to improve your contract doesn't involve tearing our contract down. I am quite confident the contractual savings FedEx finds by creative pairings and other work arounds do not find their way to your company to improve your contractual benefits.

When I first read this email, and this posting, I felt sold out by my own guys. (Insert own politically incorrect comments here that could get one banned by APC and fired, or time off, by Mgt)

Then I did something foolish and actually refreshed the memory by reading the jury duty section, and bam, earlier in the section some legacy words on jury duty included the crappy words that jury duty would paid...."beginning with the first day of government compensated jury service and ending with the last day of government compensated jury service."

You know, old school, the way jury duty was pre cell phones and pre internet. And after reading that I started wondering how some arbitrator might interpret the required to stay in jurisdiction and call daily (totally neutral of course, even though the company gets to pick them....and someone paranoid might think a neutral arbitrator might search for some way to rule in the company's favor to keep getting arbitration work from the company)

So, if I'm not required to stay in the jurisdiction-then totally screwed. And what does daily mean to a lawyer. Does that mean I call in at 0730 and if they need me I show up at 0930 for jury duty? Or does that morning call mean I show up tomorrow, or day after tomorrow, or-in my case last December, during the following week.

Is my call in jury duty compensated by the government? Or is it only compensated if I actually get picked for jury duty? And what side of the argument does a "neutral" arbitrator come down on.
Goodness knows I was 100% sure we'd win the 4A2B grievance.

I know there's a segment of our crew force that we fight the good fight no matter the considerations. And an even smaller segment that will never be happy until we go on strike and show mgt they can't kick us around.

Sometimes discretion really is the better part of valor

kronan 04-27-2014 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by vagabond (Post 1631268)
For a small fee, I will sign as many notes as needed! :D

How about a cup of coffee if I'm ever fortunate enough to wind up in the great NW

vagabond 04-27-2014 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by kronan (Post 1631278)
How about a cup of coffee if I'm ever fortunate enough to wind up in the great NW

You're always welcome and coffee is plentiful at our home. In the meantime, coffee is on us in BCN starting May 8. Our ship sails in a few hours from Miami. Have to finish packing and get out of our little motel.

Sorry Tony for this little diversion of your thread.

Busboy 04-27-2014 06:35 AM

Missing the point:

Regardless of how you interpret the language of our current CBA, or what you think an aribiter's decision might be if we grieved the issue...The fact remains that we just agreed to be paid 50% for a day of missed work for fulfilling a civic duty, that we have no control over.

Why are we not negotiating for clearer language that mandates FULL pay for missed days of work?

It's pathetic!:mad:


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