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Originally Posted by busdriver12
(Post 1631656)
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So before this giveback, you could get paid full pay for a 90 hour trip not for doing jury duty, but just for calling in once a day. Is that correct? And this is doing your civic duty? If I got that right, that was a great contractual deal....even 50% pay is a great deal, but come on. Gonna blast the union, not vote on any contract that includes this wording? Though it sounds like you still get paid fully for your trip if you actually pull the jury duty? Look, I'm all for getting the great deals when they're available, but this isn't doing your civic duty. This is a scam that a select few are working. Correct me if I have misunderstood this issue, please. |
Originally Posted by busdriver12
(Post 1631656)
Okay, so let me understand this. Every time I've been called for jury duty, I've asked them to release me from it. I assumed I wouldn't get paid anything but the $8/day the state offers, have to get off work, and they would realize that I'm pretty conservative and not put me on the jury anyways. If I thought I'd be allowed on the jury, I would be really interested in doing it, but if they ask me any questions, the defense will probably not allow it anyways.
So before this giveback, you could get paid full pay for a 90 hour trip not for doing jury duty, but just for calling in once a day. Is that correct? And this is doing your civic duty? If I got that right, that was a great contractual deal....even 50% pay is a great deal, but come on. Gonna blast the union, not vote on any contract that includes this wording? Though it sounds like you still get paid fully for your trip if you actually pull the jury duty? Look, I'm all for getting the great deals when they're available, but this isn't doing your civic duty. This is a scam that a select few are working. Correct me if I have misunderstood this issue, please. |
So before this giveback, you could get paid full pay for a 90 hour trip not for doing jury duty, but just for calling in once a day. Is that correct? And this is doing your civic duty? If I got that right, that was a great contractual deal....even 50% pay is a great deal, but come on. Gonna blast the union, not vote on any contract that includes this wording? Though it sounds like you still get paid fully for your trip if you actually pull the jury duty? Some jurisdictions require the juror to be within a certain distance when they call in to check if they are going to be used. This form of call in is 100% pay protected. It requires a letter from the clerk of the court faxed to company stating so. The folks trying to paint this as a giveback have obviously never done call in jury duty and don't have their facts straight. |
It is a concession.
Originally Posted by purpledog
(Post 1631702)
You only get paid for call in duty if you are actually selected by the court to show up. You got nothing if you call in and didn't have to show at the court. I just did this in the last year. I had to rearrange my schedule around the call in periods or drop my trips with no pay. If I was used then I would've been compensated at 100%. I wasn't selected to show up at the court. I got nothing, nada , zip. I sure would've liked that 50% pay from the trips I dropped. The problem again is with our CBA language and the court system of "reserve". I don't blame the company for this. Choose your battles. I blame the court system which is unforgiving to traveling citizens.
Some jurisdictions require the juror to be within a certain distance when they call in to check if they are going to be used. This form of call in is 100% pay protected. It requires a letter from the clerk of the court faxed to company stating so. The folks trying to paint this as a giveback have obviously never done call in jury duty and don't have their facts straight. Let the MEC and the reps explain why this decision came down. It is a concession. |
Purpledog is spot on! I had federal jury duty "call in" seven months ago and had to rearrange my 15 day reserve period to make sure I was in the USA for my two call in periods. I was never selected to report to the Federal Court House, thus I was never "compensatated" so the present CBA language offered me no protections. To me, this new process is an improvement.
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It is a give back. Period. Before the current contract admin people on the company side and all the Just Crowd, I had call in TWICE. I WAS PAID. And when released and not used, I had sub for the remaining R days. Let the MEC and the reps explain why this decision came down. It is a concession. Someone please explain to me how going from nothing, our current language, to something, is concessionary. I'm no MEC cheerleader either. I have plenty of issues with this and past MECs. This issue is not one of them. |
Originally Posted by purpledog
(Post 1631722)
That is simply not the way it is written in the CBA. It is in black and white, if you are compensated by the court, pay protected. Who knows what happened in your case. You got lucky I guess and pulled on over on the company.
Someone please explain to me how going from nothing, our current language, to something, is concessionary. I'm no MEC cheerleader either. I have plenty of issues with this and past MECs. This issue is not one of them. Throw mud elsewhere, it isn't going to stick on me. I submitted my paperwork as requested by my ACP. They paid me. I stood my sub. 100% protected and paid. |
Originally Posted by purpledog
(Post 1631722)
That is simply not the way it is written in the CBA. It is in black and white, if you are compensated by the court, pay protected. Who knows what happened in your case. You got lucky I guess and pulled on over on the company.
Someone please explain to me how going from nothing, our current language, to something, is concessionary. I'm no MEC cheerleader either. I have plenty of issues with this and past MECs. This issue is not one of them. CBA 25.Y.5. In jurisdictions where a juror is required to stay in his city and call jury administration authorities daily to be available for jury assignment, a pilot shall be eligible for jury duty pay protection provided the pilot provides his RCP/ACP with notice and a copy of his jury duty service notice, with the call-in dates listed, within 18 calendar days from the original notice of jury service (measured from the date of postmark). Nowhere does it say anything about only being eligible for trip removal without pay, makeup or anything other than "JURY DUTY PAY PROTECTION". |
+1.
Clear to me. And it was clear to my ACP back then also. But times and people change. We are in a cost cutting for profits mode. This only a small part of it. |
purpledog / FamilyATM - the company again has re-interpreted a section of the contract and you were after the change. Prior to this Jury Duty was compensated at 100% for the jury duty days and SUB for the rest of the time. Instead of fighting the company and forcing past precedent on them we have cajoled and accepted a 50% pay cut! That is concessionary!
Just one more check mark in the NO column for the the next TA (if we ever get one) |
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