satpak77

ok......how is the 767-300 QOL/routine

brownie

There is no such thing as 767-300 QOL. Again Don not come here and look for quality of life specially as a new hire for a looooooooooong time. QOL here is like asking for good service at Dennys or searching for true love at a *****house.

Lineslug

Agree. The 767 is nicer to fly, IMO, but since it's a common type with the 757, guess which plane you will fly more if you are junior. For those not aware of our system, it's not uncommon to switch from a 757 to a 767 from one leg to another in the same duty period, sometimes multiple times. One more thing to add to the PITA factor.

F15andMD11

That's funny! Ok, but looking at the seniority list I see late 2007 hires in just about every FO seat. How long would it take a new hire to hold 744 or MD11 in ANC? Thanks

twentyretardten

It probably wasn't your intent, but this post is hilarious. Thanks for sharing! Might as well know what we are trying to get into.

Airbum

[QUOTE=oldcarpilot;1662429]Try reserve at a regional making a fraction of what you make at UPS.[/


I'm not sure if this was directed to my post but i will respond

I would and have picked Ups over a regional. I would just like folks to make a informed judgement for their best interest.

I have tried reserve at a regional making a fraction of what i currently make. Was your point that the money makes me less tired? For me, the night work at ups over a month period has me more fatigued then my reserve or lines I had as a junior regional FO.


I am not saying this is the same for everyone and the money does make many things easier. Ie no more yard work and maid cleans once a month so those chores are no longer.


A life experience i remember after one of my regional friends came to work at ups. He was very excited to about his bid award despite the fact he was so junior after training. I suggested he should bid something else if possible or try reserve. He told me i had gone soft, and didnt I realize he could do 4 legs at night standing on his head. After all, he was a night owl and was used to 6 or more legs a day for less pay without a autopilot.

After the first week he spent the next two months desperately trying to trip trade into something easier never to volunteer for such flying again.

Swedish Blender

They have been decreasing the MD11 FOs in ANC and just replacing the 747 pilots that bid out. There have been some displaced from ANC who can't get back.

Unless UPS adds flying/airframes, there's no way to give an estimate. Sorry.

OnStep

Anchorage is no longer the junior base. There are a few junior folks at the bottom of the list in anchorage but that was a result of the way recalls are handled at UPS. What few vacancies there have been on the 744 have gone to fairly senior fo's, and the last couple of bids have decreased the Anchorage MD11. If things stay status quo it will be years before someone hired today could hold Anchorage, IMHO. It seems crew members are willing to endure the commute to Anchorage for the increased QOL the flying up here offers. That being said all could change overnight with aircraft acquisitions, 744 SDF domicile, etc.

80ktsClamp

Virtually every airline that flies the 75 and 76 swap back and forth in the same manner. If you're complaining about that, you need better things to complain about.

L'il J.Seinfeld

That does sound awful.

Here's my perspective. I sleep from 8 pm until 2 am at home. I wake up, shower, and am out the door to the airport in Louisville by 2:30 for my 3:30 am show time. I live 30 miles away and I like to get there a few minutes early. Anyway, I depart at 4:30 for a 2 hour leg to IAH, land, take a 1 minute walk to the sleep room, and nap for 2 hours. Then it's 1 leg home and I'm in my pool by noon.

All night lines will have 2,3,4 legs. On the Airbus the norm is 3. Start in ICT and do SGF, SDF and sit the sort followed by a leg to TYS. The night domestic flying doesn't necessarily sound bad when you consider it's usually only 3 legs but they are ball bursters for sure.

757 domestic worst turn is SDF-ABQ-PHX-SDF, which leaves at 0'dark thirty and returns after 1 pm. It's brutal. Worst line I've done was BIL-DEN-ONT-DEN. Not sure why the new hires are all going to he Bus since I think 757 domestic is harder.

Domestic night flying is tough. You need to take extraordinary measures to ensure your sleep at home. Day sleeping at home during the day is tough with kids. They may not understand that they can't wake dad up when they get home from school or why you got to bed at 8 pm. Day sleeping at hotels is much harder than you'd think as well. The hotel maids will start banging the #%^* vacuum cleaner against the hallway doors and walls at around 10 am. Some places are worse than others. Many guys carry duct tape in order to get a good seal on the curtains to keep the light out. I always get the air conditioner fan on high and use an IPhone white noise app to drown out the hotel sounds. Do what you've got to do.

UPS takes the stance that they pay us to be ready to fly to contractual limits when we show for duty. Of course that is often absurd due to the nature of sleep cycles etc. I've called in fatigued three times in 9 years and all were paid. If they deem it that the fatigue call was your fault they will debit your sick bank. 60% of our fatigue calls are approved with no sick bank debit. All are non-punitive supposedly. I think we have a bigger problem with guys flying fatigued than we do with not getting fatigue calls paid. UPS 1354 should be a game changed though.

And since Jetjok brought it up. UPS guys fly the same schedules, with the same airplane as the FDX guys, and make $40K/year more. The single pay scale here is such a great thing. I'd argue that 757 domestic is harder flying than the 747-400 international. Certainly no reason to do it at a discount.