UPS to hire 40 pilots
#571
Gentlemen and Ladies,
I have taken the assessment, but am looking for a couple of answers from folks who know UPS...
Commuting: How difficult is it to commute for an entire career at UPS vs a pax airline? Now I know that commuting is never great, but with the type of trips and domiciles that a junior FO could expect to hold (say after the first year), is it feasible? Are most of the trips day (night) trips where you are back in domicile after several legs, or are the trips multi-day ones?
Everyone says how rough the domestic flying is... what kind of seniority is required to fly internationally? How long are those trips on average?
Is there any reason why a regional check airman who lives in base and works 16-18 days a month would want to stay at the regional? I'm just having trouble overcoming my short sightednes... I'm in my late 30s so I have plenty of years ahead, but am feeling comfortable where I am at the moment. After reading this thread, it sounds like QOL will be hard to come by for awhile.
I have taken the assessment, but am looking for a couple of answers from folks who know UPS...
Commuting: How difficult is it to commute for an entire career at UPS vs a pax airline? Now I know that commuting is never great, but with the type of trips and domiciles that a junior FO could expect to hold (say after the first year), is it feasible? Are most of the trips day (night) trips where you are back in domicile after several legs, or are the trips multi-day ones?
Everyone says how rough the domestic flying is... what kind of seniority is required to fly internationally? How long are those trips on average?
Is there any reason why a regional check airman who lives in base and works 16-18 days a month would want to stay at the regional? I'm just having trouble overcoming my short sightednes... I'm in my late 30s so I have plenty of years ahead, but am feeling comfortable where I am at the moment. After reading this thread, it sounds like QOL will be hard to come by for awhile.
#572
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No harder of a commute than anywhere else, (depends where you commute from), probably easier because we generally we have fewer reports than the pax folks.
Flying nights is hard, no question, but most people adapt somewhat, I know I did.
If I was a regional check airman living in base at a regional, I'd certainly make the jump to UPS.
Flying nights is hard, no question, but most people adapt somewhat, I know I did.
If I was a regional check airman living in base at a regional, I'd certainly make the jump to UPS.
#573
If you were at a real airline (legacy) I'd urge you to stay...but to stay at a regional?
That's insane.
Come fly the brown machine..join the most badasses of the badasses union in the world and make some serious $$$$$$ while not doing much.
#574
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Here is what you can do. Starting at 6pm sit in your hallway closet with a vacuum cleaner running in there with you. You can wear earplugs and bring a TV dinner. Stay in there for 3 hours. Then at 9 pm you can turn off the vacuum cleaner and have your wife drive you around the neighborhood for 20 minutes. Have her stop every few minutes to blow the horn and open and shut a door hard each time.
Then return home and sit in a lazy boy chair in your garage for 4 hours. Then at 2am sit at your kitchen table and plan a flight to the west coast while having a radio loud in the background to simulate chatter of a hundred other pilots doing the same. Then have your wife drive you again around the neighborhood and repeat blowing horn and door slamming etc.
At 4 am get right back in that closet for another 3 hours with the vacuum on and another TV dinner. Then at 7 am leave the closet and walk around the outside of your house for about 30 minutes. Watch the sunrise and then go to sleep with the tv on to simulate the noise from other hotel guests and maids. Wake up at 11am and do this 4 nights in a row. Take 2 nights off and do it again.
If you really want to be like the majority sit in the closet about 3 hours before you start on day one to simulate a commute and again after day 4.
If you seriously can't or do not want to do this even as an experiment then don't apply.
Also don't forget to drag a couple of bags and wear a jacket and tie.
Then return home and sit in a lazy boy chair in your garage for 4 hours. Then at 2am sit at your kitchen table and plan a flight to the west coast while having a radio loud in the background to simulate chatter of a hundred other pilots doing the same. Then have your wife drive you again around the neighborhood and repeat blowing horn and door slamming etc.
At 4 am get right back in that closet for another 3 hours with the vacuum on and another TV dinner. Then at 7 am leave the closet and walk around the outside of your house for about 30 minutes. Watch the sunrise and then go to sleep with the tv on to simulate the noise from other hotel guests and maids. Wake up at 11am and do this 4 nights in a row. Take 2 nights off and do it again.
If you really want to be like the majority sit in the closet about 3 hours before you start on day one to simulate a commute and again after day 4.
If you seriously can't or do not want to do this even as an experiment then don't apply.
Also don't forget to drag a couple of bags and wear a jacket and tie.
Best of luck to those applying.
#575
Gentlemen and Ladies,
I have taken the assessment, but am looking for a couple of answers from folks who know UPS...
Commuting: How difficult is it to commute for an entire career at UPS vs a pax airline? Now I know that commuting is never great, but with the type of trips and domiciles that a junior FO could expect to hold (say after the first year), is it feasible? Are most of the trips day (night) trips where you are back in domicile after several legs, or are the trips multi-day ones?
Everyone says how rough the domestic flying is... what kind of seniority is required to fly internationally? How long are those trips on average?
Is there any reason why a regional check airman who lives in base and works 16-18 days a month would want to stay at the regional? I'm just having trouble overcoming my short sightednes... I'm in my late 30s so I have plenty of years ahead, but am feeling comfortable where I am at the moment. After reading this thread, it sounds like QOL will be hard to come by for awhile.
I have taken the assessment, but am looking for a couple of answers from folks who know UPS...
Commuting: How difficult is it to commute for an entire career at UPS vs a pax airline? Now I know that commuting is never great, but with the type of trips and domiciles that a junior FO could expect to hold (say after the first year), is it feasible? Are most of the trips day (night) trips where you are back in domicile after several legs, or are the trips multi-day ones?
Everyone says how rough the domestic flying is... what kind of seniority is required to fly internationally? How long are those trips on average?
Is there any reason why a regional check airman who lives in base and works 16-18 days a month would want to stay at the regional? I'm just having trouble overcoming my short sightednes... I'm in my late 30s so I have plenty of years ahead, but am feeling comfortable where I am at the moment. After reading this thread, it sounds like QOL will be hard to come by for awhile.
#576
I get the money part... no question...
I'm concerned with the quality of life aspect. I've seen so much negativity regarding qol I'm freaked out...
Thanks for the replies... I'm going to sit tight, do my part, and hopefully have a decision to make in the near future!
#577
Braz,
What city do you live in? If you live in a major city, the commute is probably a 3 hr wait and one jumpseat away. If you live in a small town, a 3 hr drive from cheyenne wy, then not so good.
What city do you live in? If you live in a major city, the commute is probably a 3 hr wait and one jumpseat away. If you live in a small town, a 3 hr drive from cheyenne wy, then not so good.
#578
No FO at UPS makes serious money. Serious is a word reserved for fortune 500 CEO's and hedge fund managers. People here think so small in terms of what big money is. Yes it is good for a pilot but it is not "Serious" as you say.
And to make over 200 in your first 5 years you will be "doing much."
And to make over 200 in your first 5 years you will be "doing much."
I agree with you though on the rest.
#579
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Position: retired 767(dl)
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#580
Lots of internAtional flying which might be easier, but if you will most likely be on reserve for a while, so you might get the night sort.
And, if you really want to gamble, then think we will get the 117 rules and everything will be rainbows and unicorns.
Good luck
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