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If it has nothing to do with crew performance, they don't need to be in the cockpit.
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Originally Posted by 3pointlanding
(Post 1681777)
Gunter
It is what it is. The powers to be have hitched the wagon to IOSA, Mr. Bronzek was the IOC President. The bottom line QA has nothing to do with crew performance just operating processes. At the beginning of this thread I got the impression some felt threatend by QA when in acutality it is just another process hoisted on us and a component of SMS. My original thought was to assuage the fear It looks like I failed. But so be it. I do have one question though. If during the next Enhanced IOSA audit the auditor is assigned to your flight or your sim session, would you refuse to allow him access to the cockpit? ASAP MOU and Letter (2011) FOQA LOA (2011) LOSA MOU (2010) |
Originally Posted by Gunter
(Post 1681733)
3ptlnding,
The management job is a good thing and you undoubtedly deserve it. Sorry you're insulted by someone pointing it, and you're inadequate argument, out. Sounds like you don't have an open door policy. You don't think anyone reading this board is buying your trolling "information", do you? Sorry, I don't care enough to spend 6 hours finding links, but if you want google it. |
Originally Posted by HIFLYR
(Post 1681899)
As soon as the checks and balances i.e. data collection being de identified etc are memorialized by a LOA to the contract like the below items you are welcome to go. It is simply not too much to ask that Management to do the right thing if they want to do something like this and approach the Union for a LOA after all we do have a Union Now. The days of changing the Flight Crew Member Handbook at will are far in the past. Nothing personal but this is the way things are done when we a Contract.
ASAP MOU and Letter (2011) FOQA LOA (2011) LOSA MOU (2010) |
Originally Posted by DLax85
(Post 1673218)
3pointlanding -
It's interesting to follow this discussion You seem to be very knowledgable and vested in the Fedex QA program In the interest of full disclosure, and so one can understand each source, do you mind answering the following: Are you a Fedex line pilot? Do you work in the office that administers this QA program? If so, what percent of your work days are allocated to the QA program? Many thx for adding clarity to the discussion I missed your direct response, but it appears from your recent posts the answers are: No (...were you ever? Or is your line flying experience with another airline??) Yes Extremely high -- shall we assume it approaches 100% ?? We merely need to understand the source --- it speaks directly to the perceived value one puts on the program And in fairness, my profile: Yes --- current Fedex line pilot (29 years of experience with airlines & military) No - not in QA here, but 16 years experience directly working in & managing both Flight Standards & Flight Safety programs None - Back to being a line pilot Thx, DLax |
Originally Posted by skywatch
(Post 1681902)
3pt doesn't talk as much as Tony, and he doesn't say what you want to hear - but he is right. You have to do some kind of QA on the flights, wether it is LOSA or some other program you develop in house is up to you. But if you aren't doing LOSA, you do have to do something...
Sorry, I don't care enough to spend 6 hours finding links, but if you want google it. I started out saying LOSA was superior. 3pt said our continuously morphing QA program was required (instead of just sanctioned) and superior. He also implied LOSA did not meet requirements. LOSA is defined and crew member performance oriented. Depending on who you talk to, FDX QA is or is not interested in that metric. It has changed it's spots a few times now. There is no telling what it will be like next week, next month or next year. Funny how he's claiming it's been "approved". Every iteration? |
So, I take it you would refuse to allow him to observe. Interesting
Man would I like to see how that finding would be received. But it is your airplane. |
Originally Posted by 3pointlanding
(Post 1682204)
So, I take it you would refuse to allow him to observe. Interesting
Man would I like to see how that finding would be received. But it is your airplane. |
In the QA brief a few weeks ago during recurrent training that question was asked and the QA guys affirmed that some had already been denied!
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3point,
Are the F/O QA Observers designated as Fleet Check Airman? If not, under what classification do they fall under for cockpit access? |
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