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Old 10-13-2014 | 07:47 PM
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My in law with a Masters in Public Health from Columbia would disagree with you. The contagiousness is much different, not the transmission. Subtle but significant difference.

One may have Ebola and never die too. 50 to 80% mortality rate is not 100%. Magic had/has world class health care, the masses, including us, won't.

"People with HIV & AIDS can now fight the disease with a wide variety of readily available drugs that are being produced in sufficient quantities". My point exactly, this occurred after millions if not billions were spent doing so. Are we doing this now or are we ONLY focused on checking passports and taking temperatures.

When HIV was first noticed in the U.S., the fear and panic was very similar to what we have now and if you are the one who gets either one, the risks will feel exactly the same.

THE EBOLA VIRUS:Comparison between the HIV AIDS virus and the Ebola virus

AIDS And Ebola Found To Use Same Mechanism To Spread In Body
Not to be crude but you can't get HIV in a bathroom stall unless you are sharing it with a "buddy". Or so they tell us. Not so Ebola.
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Old 10-13-2014 | 07:54 PM
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Not to be crude but you can't get HIV in a bathroom stall unless you are sharing it. Or so they tell us. Not so Ebola.
I bet HIV has been passed in a lot of bathroom stalls.
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Old 10-13-2014 | 07:55 PM
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I bet HIV has been passed in a lot of bathroom stalls.
I agree but not from the toilet seat or the door handle. Not so Ebola.
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Old 10-13-2014 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by onetime
My in law with a Masters in Public Health from Columbia would disagree with you. The contagiousness is much different, not the transmission. Subtle but significant difference.

One may have Ebola and never die too. 50 to 80% mortality rate is not 100%. Magic had/has world class health care, the masses, including us, won't.

"People with HIV & AIDS can now fight the disease with a wide variety of readily available drugs that are being produced in sufficient quantities". My point exactly, this occurred after millions if not billions were spent doing so. Are we doing this now or are we ONLY focused on checking passports and taking temperatures.

When HIV was first noticed in the U.S., the fear and panic was very similar to what we have now and if you are the one who gets either one, the risks will feel exactly the same.

THE EBOLA VIRUS:Comparison between the HIV AIDS virus and the Ebola virus

AIDS And Ebola Found To Use Same Mechanism To Spread In Body
Health care professionals, even those with masters degrees in public health or PhDs from Yale in virology, wear hazmat suits when treating ebola patients or cleaning up the mess. I've never seen anyone wear a hazmat suit when treating an AIDS patient. Still no difference?
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Old 10-13-2014 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuce130
Health care professionals, even those with masters degrees in public health or PhDs from Yale in virology, wear hazmat suits when treating ebola patients or cleaning up the mess. I've never seen anyone wear a hazmat suit when treating an AIDS patient. Still no difference?
Have you ever seen anyone treat an AIDS patient? I haven't. Your point is valid and speaks to contagionous from what I understand, though I've never been in a BSL-4. There are obviously differences and there are striking similarities too. Could a condom be considered a version of hazmat suit? I'm no microbiologist, my main point is IMHO containment is only half the battle and the only part we are talking about right now.
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Originally Posted by onetime
My in law with a Masters in Public Health from Columbia would disagree with you. The contagiousness is much different, not the transmission. Subtle but significant difference.

One may have Ebola and never die too. 50 to 80% mortality rate is not 100%. Magic had/has world class health care, the masses, including us, won't.

"People with HIV & AIDS can now fight the disease with a wide variety of readily available drugs that are being produced in sufficient quantities". My point exactly, this occurred after millions if not billions were spent doing so. Are we doing this now or are we ONLY focused on checking passports and taking temperatures.

When HIV was first noticed in the U.S., the fear and panic was very similar to what we have now and if you are the one who gets either one, the risks will feel exactly the same.

THE EBOLA VIRUS:Comparison between the HIV AIDS virus and the Ebola virus

AIDS And Ebola Found To Use Same Mechanism To Spread In Body
Don't waste any time trying to convince this individual. Obviously multiple creditable news sources have reported that out of the nearly 9,000 ebola cases reported in Africa over 90% are fatal are clearly not as trustworthy as his in-law with a Master's from Columbia University. Who oddly enough is MY primary source of information on this matter.
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Old 10-14-2014 | 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Chainsaw
Don't waste any time trying to convince this individual. Obviously multiple creditable news sources have reported that out of the nearly 9,000 ebola cases reported in Africa over 90% are fatal are clearly not as trustworthy as his in-law with a Master's from Columbia University. Who oddly enough is MY primary source of information on this matter.
Convince me of what? That its a 90% killer? 50-90% is more accurate, but if you want to use the more scary number feel free. It is October. If you or a family member gets it, assume it's 100%.

I will assume you will want to be treated with something that's effective. You won't be and given the disease itself has been around for nearly 30 years it would be reasonable to ask why not. IMHO it has never been profitable to pursue (unlike HIV meds) and the it only affects those people over there mentality. Well it could be here now.

Let's run with containment only though. I'm positive we can contain a highly infectious, easily transmitable and extremely contagious disease, with no vaccine, to one small corner of the globe.
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Old 10-14-2014 | 05:46 AM
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If ebola proves not to be the "Andromeda Strain" some fear, still we ought to consider what we have learned already:
This government ("our" government, not some foreign government) seems perfectly willing to bow continually to political convenience and worship at the altar of political correctness, with the protection of the homeland and American citizens from this 'foreign invader' being obviously not their top priority.
Say this is not 'the Big One"; what if it was? What if the next one, or the one after that, is?
Even if the technically correct action is to "not worry", it seems that real leaders who are intent on protecting the US would nevertheless take action to assure the American people that their government has their best interests at the top of the priority list. It would be simple to stop entry to the US of people holding passports from the affected African countries, and require controlled travel via military or charter flights until things quiet down.
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Old 10-14-2014 | 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by iarapilot
It already has, a million times over.
The reference is to a poem that has long been thought to reference plague. The sneeze = Transmission, falling down = dying, posies = cover up the stench of death, then ashes ashes = cremation of the bodies.
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Old 10-14-2014 | 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Sum Ting Wong
Officials who are reluctant to contain travel from Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone have a surprise in store for them: political correctness will go right out the window among the American public if and when more cases arise. People of every race and every political persuasion will demand that the doors be shut. We can do it now and probably avoid those additional cases or we can invite tragedy and then gain wisdom at the cost of people's lives.
Such restrictions have nothing to do with political correctness. When someone says "PC", it usually means that they're having an emotional or knee-jerk reaction and not willing to look into the issue. It's a symptom of talk radio warriors and Faux News, CNN, etc..(not necessarily implying that you're doing this)

Sealing Off West Africa Won't Stop Ebola - Business Insider
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