Fatigue: IPA taking leadership role
 

?Investigation: Why are cargo pilots excluded from new rest rules? - CBS News

IPA continuing to take leadership role in fighting the cargo cut out.

Way to go CAPT Travis and IPA EB.

Not pointing any fingers here but where is FEDEX ALPA in this fight??

Saw that report on CBS tonight. The second I saw the weasil that represents the industry I threw up in my mouth a little. He was disgusting.

Really nice article from CBS, sad that we have to lose 2 of our UPS pilot bretheren for a news report to show up a year and a half later. I thought the IPA guy did really well and the CAA guys looked like a clown.


FDX pilots have had the full backing of all the 54,000 ALPA pilots to support this change. ALPA maintains a presence on Capitol Hill year-round, with 5-10 ALPA Government Affairs staff (usually former Congressional staff members) and experienced pilot volunteers from many airlines constantly working with Congress on this and many other issues.

I'm glad the IPA is starting to engage in Washington, it's not easy when you are such a small voice though, tough to have much influence and I wouldn't call it a 'leadership role'.

Each year for the last 3 years ALPA has been holding a Government Affairs Summit (100+ pilots) and also when big issues come to the forefront they'll coordinate a "fly-in" where hundreds of pilots take to Capitol Hill to make scheduled visits with Senators and Members of Congress to promote pilot issues.

FDX ALPA itself has a very active Gov't. Affairs Committee that works together and as a part of ALPA's national Gov't. Affairs structure. Trust me, Congress knows where the Air Line Pilots stand on this issue; the hard part is getting Congress to act(sound familiar?).

ALPA-PAC also raised over $1.4 million for 2014 which also helps promote pilot partisan issues in Washington D.C.

ALPA White Paper Leveling the Playing Field 3.0: Rested Pilots

Press Release on Safe Skies Act

The Safe Skies Act (H.R.182 and S.1692 in the 113th Congress) will be reintroduced in the 114th Congress and will be given a different number.

You can see the rest of the issues ALPA is fighting here: Issues

We must indeed all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately.
-Benjamin Franklin

"Constantly working with Congress"? Really?

Please......

Way to go, IPA. You ARE at the forefront of this issue, with very little backup.

I'd like to see FedEx ditch ALPA and join IPA. What a force that would be.

shiznit, no offense, but after watching ALPA grease the skids to pass Age-65, I think I speak for many when I say we've seen enough of ALPA "constantly working with congress"

I have not seen any other organization suing the FAA on pt. 117. I have not seen ALPA FDX (other than Sully) actively in the press on pt. 117 like IPA.

I don't know about you.... but "summits" and "chargin' the hill" sounds like a whole lot of filler for a magazine.

For a "small" organization... IPA sure seems to be doing OK. TCAS comes to mind... Also seems to me that IPA set the bar wrt compensation on the last round of CBA's. Hopefully FDX ALPA "leadership" during your contract negotiations will lead to gains more than IPA + 1%.

Agree that we all need to work together... just not too impressed with your version of leadership is.

Just curious if not a leadership role than what you would call it? As far as alpa goes, other growing large mustaches what have they done in the past 20 years to promote our cause?

When an organization like ALPA has such a large number of "Chiefs", they spend as much time flexing their political muscles in front of the mirror and each other as anything else. Next time you're in a FDX ready room look at the mug shots of all the leadership...it looks like a government agency. So to some ALPA cheerleaders, action is denoted by how many guys are dropping trips and having cocktails in the K Street bars? Alrighty then.;)

It's hard to take pleas to work together seriously while you're slinging mudballs our way.


It seems to me that UPS pilots and FedEx pilots are not the enemy, but the enemy might be enjoying watching them fight. Real smart of us, eh?






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What good would a b!tchboard be without any b!tching?

While UPS and FDX pilots sniping at each other on APC doesn't help anything (and IPA's President asked in the past for people not to do so), ALPA's refusal to join the IPA in its lawsuit against the FAA three years ago didn't win friends and influence people as far as the perception of Purple and Brown pilots "pulling the same direction" on this issue.

What is a Ready Room?

I'm quite familiar with the situation, events, and decisions described in the document you linked (a message from the FDX ALPA MEC Chairman) as I was part of the decision-making body that viewed the legislative track as a better way to reach our goals. While we did not agree that suing the FAA would be effective or predictable, we did not publicly condemn or attempt to undermine the efforts of the IPA. I hope you took some time to read one of the documents he linked (here: Legal summary ) as it very clearly and objectively lays out the facts and logic upon which our decision was based.

While we chose different paths, we sought the same goal -- inclusion of cargo pilots in Part 117. How UPS pilots could view FedEx pilots as working against them, or the other way around, is beyond me. I believe we have both been pulling in the same direction, albeit using different ropes.

If it's always going to come down to "do it our way or else", it will be very difficult for two large, diverse groups to work together, don't you think?






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A place where dreams go to die, usually filled with old men talking with their hands, searching for anything with the word free attached to it especially coffee, lots of *****ing, moaning and general complaining about everything under the sun. Pretty close?

Not at all!!!!

Sounds like APC.

Last 20 years:

ASAP (Thank you NWALPA)
HIMS
CVR transcript exemption from court proceedings
FOQA use limitations
Official Party Status in NTSB accident investigations
Airport Safety Liaison program
Charter member of FAA RNP development committee
TCAS requirement for Part 135 aircraft
Official observer status within ICAO
NATS min separation rules
Retaining the jumpseat post-9/11
Hardened cockpit doors post-9/11
CASS
KCM
FFDO Program and its continued funding
Sleep Apnea change prevention
Cabotage/Foreign ownership limits retained
FAR 117 (ALPA Co-chaired and appointed ½ of all labor members of the ARC)

Couple other goodies more than 20 years back:
Aircraft weather radar requirement
Cargo Fire Detection/Suppression in commercial aircraft
GPWS requirement
Grooved Runways mandate
Runway distance to go markings
TAWS requirement (Enhanced GPWS)


Together we WILL get Cargo pilots included, they were in the initial language; it was CAA member lobbying to cut cargo out in the first place.

Let's keep this about working to FIX problems in the profession, not about some individual's feelings about the largest pilots union in the world.

(Oh, and only one of the four National officers has a mustache.:p)

Need to get your facts straight, more than a handful of what you list were a direct result of what the IPA achieved solely without the help of the mustache committee! LMAO

Hey Shaggy, do you mind giving specifics or do you just like throwing out generalizations?

You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with facial hair. As you laugh your ass off, I can't help but think of Jack Nicholson's character in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...on-Posters.jpg


Calling Nurse Ratched.






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Too bad that shot was from "The Shining", but you're so damed clever nonetheless.:rolleyes:

Funny how when a UPS type wanders into a FDX thread, there's all manner of caterwauling.

Good catch on the picture -- how 'bout this one?

http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/Ac...2840-14172.jpg



Oh, so you think this is a UPS thread, and us FedEx types have just wandered in? Go back to the first post and read the last sentence. I think we were invited to the conversation. ;)






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No mustache on that one...welcome to non sequitur-land.;)

OK...sounds like Bill Maher's "New Rules" segment. If the letters U, P or S are in a post we can wade in and get indignant.

Cool

Indignant? Question was asked about where was FedEx ALPA in this fight and answers were given - then it turned into a "mine is bigger than yours conversation". Maybe you should go back and read the entire thread to see where the indignities came from!

OK, reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, I get it. I said, when I think of Shaggy1970 laughing his ass off -- - that's what the LMAO acronym he used means -- when I think of him doing that, I can't help think of Jack Nicholson's character. That's the picture that comes to mind when I try to envision Shaggy1970 laughing his ass off. Get it? No mustache involved, just Shaggy1970 laughing his ass off for some stupid reason.



Again, read the first post. Here, I'll help you.

Who did you expect would answer this question?

Now I'm beginning to think of this scene ...

http://www.thecommentator.com/system...jpg?1349454725






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Now I see why you're ALPA royalty...whatever you say Tony. As we've all learned, that's the only way to respond to your brilliance.

In the interest of unity, just watch you guys don't cave on PBS or cower in the shadow of another "with or without you" letter.

All hail The Tony

Right now I think PBS would be a good idea - just to tick off Sideshow and his brethren!! :eek: :D :rolleyes:

You'll take what Fred gives you and like it.

Trying to sue the government.

Do any of you happen to know the success rate in this type of operation?

Unity or not do you know the history and your chance of winning?

You would probably have a better chance spending that money on lottery tickets. The favorite game of the math challenged.

If you don't know who the sucker is in the game it is probably you.

Do you really think unions did this or did it just represent good financial decisions on the part of people running the companies?

Do you think unions have interests that are outside the motivations driving the companies? Don't they both want to make money with minimum legal exposure?

Thanks, Bob. Without your encouragement, we might have caved and accepted PBS. Based on your kind words, we now have the strength to say No to PBS. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We are forever in your debt.



At ease. ;)






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You forgot our wide body rates plus $1.:D

Oh...good luck getting a scope clause...you're gonna need it.

All hail The Tony!

So, first we are going to cave and accept PBS and now it is what Fred gives us and we have to like it! Maybe it is time to put the bottle down and step away from the keyboard! :eek:

I'm too lazy to find it, but didn't UPS/IPA create CASS? I was working at an ALPA carrier at the time and remember them doing it because it hurt UPS pilots more than the pax carriers.

One of the ones I was hinting at and also TCAS and there were two more on his list I thought we came up with but it wasn't worth the time or the ****ing match.

How about the last contract negotiations when FDX/ALPA started out by asking for lower pay rates than what UPS had already agreed to pay!? The NMB literally laughed. The IPA didn't have a leg to stand on. That cost is all 15% right there.

Aren't UPS pay rates that were negotiated by IPA & approved by their membership their responsibility?

Siggy112,
Not quite, I hope the IPA and FedEx MEC coordinate and communicate better this time around.

What they are trying to say is: "UPS will take whatever Fred gives us and like it!" :D

All hail The Tony and Fred. I guess some kids need heroes...I know The Tony is mine. It's quite possible The Tony may be the only one to convince Fred not to crush you guys. Reading YOUR threads, it's not difficult to see how fragmented your leadership is. The Tony must end this strife...look how well he does here.

All hail The Tony!

Actually, YOU'LL take what Fred gives us and like it.