**** just stop, everyone has been able to see through your lies and misinformation for some time now.

Originally Posted by suddenimpact View Post
You might want to reserve your kudos until you see what we have been paying them for in the form of a cba or an arbitrated settlement crammed down our throats. You might find them blaming the crew force for the contract we get despite all the efforts/risk made by us resulting in the recent court injunction.

Keep in mind, they have no professional negotiators working for us despite their availability to us from international."

Don't like hearing the truth? Must be "fake" news.

Amazon Prime Holiday Shipping 2017:
https://aircargoworld.com/allposts/a...lion-packages/

Amazon and FedEx in this one. A new aircraft:
https://aircargoworld.com/allposts/i...kycourier-408/

Amazon hiring Seattle:
https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/...pace-jobs.html

Namaste...

From the article:

"News of the hires comes amid reports that Amazon is soon planning to offer air cargo services to its clients in China."

Interesting.

And from this article:

"Amazon.com’s successful holiday season is all the more notable, considering that pilots flying for it’s Prime Air service had warned that, 'years of substandard pay and working conditions have led many veteran pilots to leave these airlines for better jobs, creating serious problems for these companies as they ramp up their business with Amazon.'

However, according to the e-tailing giant, no evidence of such a labor shortage had been reported."


Nice job 1224, ugh. Actions speak louder than words, and Amazon's hugely successful season speaks louder than our threatening messages. And now our messages will forever sound hollow to the public.

So management is lying to customers (I mean, are you really shocked?), and you are blaming the 1224? They speak the truth. Flight ops at Atlas are struggling to cover flights, and attrition is a huge problem. At the end of the day, all the flights still get covered even if its messy business sometimes. It would take aircraft not moving and Amazon having to explain to people why it didn’t make good on their 2 day shipping on a consistent basis for either company to harm their stock price by admitting there is a problem.

Different paint on the tail is one thing, try flying using some one else’s call sign and abiding by their op-specs!

How is management lying to customers? Amazon says they don't see any evidence of a labor shortage... because, using your words, "at the end of the day, all the flights still get covered". What other definition is there of a labor shortage (from the customer's point of view)?

I'm not saying 1224 didn't speak the truth; they (we) absolutely did. My question is: what's the point? Picketing is supposed to drive down a stock price (it went up), scare customers away (Prime customers increased by 500%), and overall hurt the company (it didn't, neither AAWH or Amazon).

It's one thing to picket saying "we want a bigger piece of the pie!" That's just basic awareness, getting our story out there. The company gets harmed by our actions hopefully, or maybe they don't. Either way, we are furthering our cause, and the message is clear: we just want our part.

But no. 1224 went right for the jugular. We picketed the customer (for the first time ever?). And our message wasn't "we want a bigger piece of the pie!", it was "your business results and performance will suffer by using our company!"

That was our strategy. "Can Amazon deliver?" Picketing events, billboards, a website, a high-production value video... all of these things cost a lot of money, and all asked the consumer and the customer to consider the same question: Can Amazon deliver?

It makes us look like fools when Amazon delivers resoundingly well. Historically well.

I FULLY support a picketing/marketing campaign that says "we deserve a bigger piece of the pie!" I FULLY support the solidarity of our pilot group, in my words and my actions. I just think that the message that we spent so much of our money on was misguided.

WTF is your problem with him? It really is creepy. We all know what we've been paying - about 2% for general representation and contract negotiations. Those are combined numbers and very reasonable considering how expensive lawyers and pilots cost.

As for you... You're the absolute worst sort of hypocrite. You've ran your mouth about all these conspiracies with regard to our current leadership for months now. You have a base that would've voted for you had you not been too lazy to run for ExCo yourself. Furthermore, I'm assuming you'd have done the job for free since you that's what you expect of others. Since you don't even care about our Union enough to fix the problems you see then you'd do better to shut your moronic mouth and enjoy the ride. Contrary to how you view yourself we have zero use for people who do nothing but complain about situations they refuse to fix.

100% Invested (since we're not going to be allowed to say "All In" 6 months from now)!!!

Looking at how things went down it appeared as if they prioritized Amazon and DHL for peak. Rest assured customers such as Panalpina and AMC are probably not too happy with the performance they got this fall.