Is the MD-11 unsafe??
02-04-2007, 04:44 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by Huck
I'm on the road - let me get back to you after I've read a few things from the systems manual on the next leg. I want to say TOGA always engages the A/T's, but not quite sure. Low speed protection is there whether or not they're engaged, also.... Anybody else with a better memory?
Now THAT's funny!
Now THAT's funny!
BTW, I'n one of those that overide the ATS, especially the MD-10-10. It works for me.
02-04-2007, 05:03 AM
#22
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Huck, By " speed protection" I actually meant the speed the A/Ts were set to hold, not the control logic or alpha protection. A poor choice of words. I think A/Ts are something of a safety feature in this regard but they are slow to respond in some types of situations and must be overridden, assisted, or off.
Part of the problem is that it seems there is a reluctance to add enough wind additive in gusty conditions to set a proper target speed. Assisting the A/Ts with the understanding that they are still on seems a compromise that many have found to work well.
Thanks for your well informed and educational post, it was a good read.
Part of the problem is that it seems there is a reluctance to add enough wind additive in gusty conditions to set a proper target speed. Assisting the A/Ts with the understanding that they are still on seems a compromise that many have found to work well.
Thanks for your well informed and educational post, it was a good read.
Last edited by jungle; 02-04-2007 at 05:19 AM.
02-04-2007, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptainMark
who cares...it's all about the catering anyway..isn't it?...most of my 11 buds are fatbodies..due to the awesome catering of course!
02-04-2007, 06:33 AM
#27
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Originally Posted by CaptainMark
who cares...it's all about the catering anyway..isn't it?...most of my 11 buds are fatbodies..due to the awesome catering of course!
OK now you are getting personal. Bottom line the 11 looks kewl and the Bus DOES NOT what else matters?
The alpha brothers on the bus have to have conditions to work. The low speed on the MD works 100% of the time. I disagree with the landing technique at FedEx but what do you do. It's their airplane I'm just the operator and I like to pass Sims.
My understanding is that they have you cross control at 300 feet so the auto throttles have time to adjust to the extra drag. If you did it in the flare the increased drag without more power would increase the V/S without the A/T being quick enough to help. I guess FedEx assumes we can't figure that out so they want to fly the plane like the autopilot does.
CaptainMark now that you have disowned your Harley Club members and bought a Jap bike how is the transiton going? French Airplane and Jap motorbikes. What is the world coming to.
02-04-2007, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Larusso
Nope. An MD-11(or most other a/c)would have stalled and winged over. Alpha floor is only available with autothrust and greater than 50' agl, Alpha prot worked just fine though.....but you knew that right?
