ATI Rumors.....
 

My sources tell me that something is changing at ATI......very soon. (not for the better) My understanding is that RZ got into a verbal altercation with your MEC while addressing protection issues for your membership......at least it appears someone is concerned about the welfare of your membership and its not your MEC. Good luck guys.

Only rumors.

We don't have an MEC/Union at ATI. Frankly, they are management by another name and nothing more.

Coach V is good at making the union leadership part of his management structure. Just look at the CCIA MEC prior to the merger!

What's gonna be cool is when baby V becomes management!

Coach V, promoting cronyism and nepotism since 2010.

Blah blah blah......

I called Z concerning the rumors and he flatly stated he will not comment on them (apc forum). But he did say he's currently in talks which will benefit most of the ATI pilots. Looks like Z is doing the job your MEC should be doing!

Like Z looked out for his furloughed pilots? Like Z discouraged you guys from flying extra so they could get recalled? We don't need that kinda help.

That's right you have your nose so far JV's ass all is right with your world

Are you having a hard time facing the fact that you guys have become the cannibals of the airfreight world? You eat your young and throw away the inedible parts. Now you have some fresh meat to gnaw on- God help them. BTW, what's the deal with your obsession with JV? Did he leave you standing at the altar?

My question to you is why you continually give him the holy reach around? Maybe the payoff was worth it?

I heard last week there was a day that ATI couldn't make one amazon flight and they had an emergency return to DFW on top of that.

ATI IS hiring

Wasn't an emergency return. The Capt left his new iPad in our Dallas crew lounge. Next to our "provided" breakfast buffet.


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If it was any OTHER airline I would know you were joking. Here it makes total sense.

Yeah maybe next time one of your check airmen who is performing a line check for your company he will not abuse our jumpseat June 30, ILN-SEA. Since your company provided transportation is so precious, I recommend you use it and save yourself the embarrassment of asking.

Not flaming you clutch, just curious? What was the egregious violation with the check airman from ATI riding the js?

You can't ride in the jump seat off line on company business. He was going out there to do a line check.

To amplify: the said check airman told the crew he was jumpseating to Seattle for personal reasons. Then admitted when arriving at the same crew hotel that he was conducting a line check. So basically he lied. He's blown jumpseats for his fellow airman....what do you expect from someone selected from ati management.

So are you saying we no longer have a reciprocal jumpseat agreement with ABX?

You gotta be ****ting me. The guy abused the jumpseat. He should have had a ticket if he was conducting JV business. But I wouldn't expect you to understand. Oh u see you are losing two 757's. Guess we won't have to worry about those two jumpseats.

I don't know why you keep trying to open this can of worms- ABX pilots have much more to lose when it comes to jumpseats. Why don't you just leave it alone?

Ban that guy from the jumpseat if you want, but if you keep all ATI pilots from jumpseating then you'll learn the meaning of "reciprocal". I don't jumpseat, so personally I don't give a f%$*, but if one of my friends is left standing on the ramp when he's just trying to get some extra time at home I'll respond accordingly.

How about we just don't go there?

Just leave it alone? Please be advised it might be in your self interest to attend or have a representative attend the national jumpseat forum on July 22, 2016. Certain matters concerning proper jumpseating protocol are going to be discussed. The can is open.

Correct me if I'm wrong, don't you have home basing? Aren't tickets provided as well as a hotel room and per diem. You want it both ways now ?

Ok Bubba, I'll spell it out for you since you're kinda slow. We do get tickets to and from home, but on occasion jumpseating is more expedient and there are times when we can jumpseat home from and back from a layover. Some use it to get more time home- I'm sure you'd rather have extra $$ than time home. I'm guessing your family (if you have any) would prefer you go for the money as well.

I'm not that slow to realize your check airman lied to one of our captains about his jumpseat status....how much extra time did he get at home by concealing his true intent? I know things are a little lax at ATI but do you really have to mirror certain mgt style?

From the ABX Air hiring thread:

Now, how's that play here? From the very title of this thread? :rolleyes:

So IF things happened as you stated (and I have no reason to believe either way other than to take your word for it), then we have an internal issue to resolve. Lying about your jumpseat intentions is not acceptable. But which did you do first: Did you approach anyone at all in an official capacity to start an administrative process to fix this issue? Or did you jump on this forum to get all of the hens clucking on this "non" rumor mill?

You are so obsessed with ATI that all I can conclude is that you're scared of something. Get over yourself. Please. We've all got a lot ahead of us.

I will add that ATI's CBA states "Crewmembers may not use jumpseats outside of Company customer system for Company directed travel". This is IBT language, boilerplated years ago from ATI's first CBA under 747. As with anything written, without access to all of the subscript, it's open to some interpretation. But it seems to me that Amazon and DHL are "Company customer system"s. Delta, UPS, etc, are not "Company customer system" operators. We may not use them except for personal or union business, including getting to or from home, let alone repositioning. Doing so is asking for trouble. Last time we caught one of "ours" doing that (as I'm aware), we read him the riot act, as our pre-CASS reciprocal agreements were very limited and we didn't want to put what little we had in jeopardy. That was over 10 years ago. ABX, Atlas, Kalitta, and Southern are all "Company customer system" airlines. So by our IBT-originated CBA language, it doesn't seem "out of bounds" to repo within "our" system on system aircraft, agreements permitting and upon Captain's authority, of course.

I'll say it again: Lying about your intentions is unacceptable. Thank you for the notification. It would have been nice to have been informed in a more professional and discreet manner before flinging it out there like monkeys at the zoo.

Well now that it's out there it's pretty hard to spin it or deny the event. I'm sure the offender would be more "comfortable" if he were read the "riot act" in private. Once again, you guys might want to send a representative to the national jumpseat forum on July 22, 2016.

DUH? We make a fraction of what they do and occupy the same ramp. You need someone to sketch you a picture?

It's "out there" because you put it out there. Spin? Deny? :rolleyes: And the offender's "comfort" would be the last thing on my mind if I were involved in the process of jumpseat protocol re-indoctrination.

Yeah, draw me a picture of why you're employed with ATI, then. Motormouth has nothing to be afraid of. If anything, you do.

JUMP SEAT

MC, I promise it will be looked into.

As for the J/S, I use the ABX seat quite a bit. Exactly as L8frt claimed its much faster in most cases and more convenient. There are some guys that will p###and whine and must have a ticket (they are getting miles or something).
Anyway, back to my point, we arent exactly making bank over here at ATI. Some of us J/S back home to work jobs etc and HAVE to be there. I use it because I found myself in a family matter that needed max time at home. Moving around the system on your (ABX) JS is a total life saver. Not to mention Im treated with the highest regard and respect by your crews. You can also be assured anyone riding on our seats will have equal treatment. crews reading this have my deepest apology if it was abused. I would just highly suggest the individual should be held responsible and not the lot of us.

As for handling it, Im aware our unions aren't all buddy buddy & having sleep overs as OGM apparently likes to do.

(we just had training on that behavior and were told that its acceptable and must welcome diversity)

+1 on that ^^^^^

Now for the rest of the story. I'm sure you remember your ex-director of training , red headed guy, ex-community college , ex-intern.....also known as Mini-V? It was discovered by a United Airlines captain that this guy was not an qualified 121 crew member but had been issued a crew member's identification card by your management. Yeah, he was burning up the airways illegally until the TSA got involved. This too was covered up by your fearless leader in an attempt to avoid embarrassment. I guess you can say thats the reason for my "obsession" with anyone cheating the system. So do you really believe anyone at your company would take corrective action?

Other than the fond memories and wonderful legacy, I don't think we have to concern ourselves with him. Cronyism only gets one so far in the real world. It certainly never worked for very long in the old days.

amen bro.......see we can agree on something!

Why you hate on me bro

Probably because you're a bit of a Troll...

The Wonderful World of ATI

CTR, you riding that JS to another job? Keep up the work and you might be able to buy yourself that KR or Being a Ram guy I guess your more into that 700hp Mopar or a Ram Limited.

Like 70boy said just run for the union and settle in to the good life.

YEP!!

Gotta do watcha gotta do.

Neah, I've had several fords and was awarded a 10k ford motor credit out of a class action with the old 6.0 diesel. Only work trucks, no need to compensate for "short" comings! PLUS I can't afford the 70k panty haulers. Actually even prefer the utility beds

I do on occasion work on the homes of legacy guys. Kinda get a glimpse of how you "real" pilots live. I personally don't have time to sit down twice a month and write pay checks to all the domestic help.......ROLFMAO J/k


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Yep you do what you have to do to get ahead! I have an A&P/IA and work on some pretty nice Barons and Bonanzas on the side. Don't really need the money but I've been furloughed before.

We have a guy at ATI who is an A&P/AI he lives and breaths bonanzas. Just a super guy on top of that. He loves the old V's!

Can't agree more in having something going. This place has screwed me over a number of times. Oddly two numbers above me have seen NO furloughs.

Outside flying is pretty popular, corporate moonlighters. I know ABX has a few too.

I was talking to an Atlas Capt and our pay is so far behind theirs it's essentially impossible to catch up in one contract. Especially if you do a historical look back at contract signings. I know someone jumped up in 707's tailpipe for being optimistic. That's good and all but I can't see it. I'd just ditch the uniforms call it what it is and just make ATI part time flying club that pays expenses. Oddly every time a carrier has done reduced lines the top tier senior guys bid'em


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Your compensation is a direct result of what you tolerate. I'd be firing your self serving MEC.