We don’t fly a lot more. Maybe 30-40 hours block on the 767. Not a great place to build time. We have a daily rig of 4.85 hours. 17 day line is worth about 82 hours whether you fly or not. 15 day line with 3 days of VX (18 total) is worth about 100 hours credit. Yep you’ll commute on either side of that and depending on where you live it could really suck. You might get taxed or maybe not. No rhyme or reason.

What’s the daily rig at Omni with the new and improved contract?

Can you explain how your vacation slide works?

Do you have hostile area pay?

Did you get a DC in your retirement plan?

Is there a yearly company matching max on 401k plans?

Your pay rates are near worthless because your work rules suck, and you passed it with flying colors.

Even with your new and improved zero sum contract, the seat you occupy on the ACMI short bus (along with Atlas) is still pretty far in the back.

That was reference to K4, not Atlas. Our contract is very similar to theirs and they do fly more.

We go to 3.95 credit in this contract
Vacation slide is done after bids are awarded and you can slide to cover work days, or if the vacation landed on days off, put the time back in the vacation bank
No DC (neither does K4)
401k match is 5% currently

Our pay rates let us fly little, get paid well, and live where we want without paying taxes on commutes and hotels in base.

Good luck on your contract fight. A rising tide lifts all boats and I’d like nothing more than to see you guys raise the bar more. Makes it easier for us too in a few years.

Well, despite Atlas's joy in calling our K4 contract "trash", I am glad they are aiming for the stars and won't settle for less. Not the path I would take, but good on them.

FIFY. Most of us are on the Same Team, and know it. Let's keep that at the forefront and keep the pursefighters in the peanut gallery, where they belong.

Absolutely.

That was one person. Certainly no one authorized to speak for almost 2000 pilots.

Hiring?
 

When will the next FO window open? Also, what is the average upgrade now for new FOs that meet all Captain minns?

No idea and essentially instant, respectively. After the street CA announcement, a lot of guys bid upgrade, and there's a guy with an April class date who's been awarded it. FWIW, I would not bid it unless you have a fair amount of time flying widebody international. I meet the mins and bypassed...this is a different game.

This x 1,000......

Just out of curiosity, what makes it a “different game?”

Supplemental into third world ****e holes. You’re handed the keys to a 400,000lb jet and have to make it happen. You’ll have some support, some tribal knowledge and the rest is accumulated experience and skill. Same same for other ACMI’s. You do all this while updating your airlineapps.

Having done this for 12+ years I can say.. you are 100% correct!

OAI HR is Heading to San Diego on November 14, 2019 and will be at the DAV/Recruit Military Job Fair from 1100 to 1500 at the Scottish Rite Event center.

Interesting. Given 121.436, I don't think they're hiring street captains from the military...perhaps the window will open for FOs again.

Good thing Omni doesn't just hire pilots:rolleyes:

Ah. This explains why the FAs have the thousand yard stare.

Question. I have been flying as a 777 captain for a foreign airline including flights to the US. Does this time count towards FAR Part 121.436? Is there an avenue to apply this time obtained from a non FAA regulator? Thanks.

(3) If serving as pilot in command in part 121 operations, has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under § 91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under § 135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof. For those pilots who are employed as pilot in command in part 121 operations on July 31, 2013, compliance with the requirements of this paragraph (a)(3) is not required.

This is straight from the regulation. If you are not flying under part 121 (or 135.243 or 91.1053) then the time does not count.

I have never heard of an exemption. Not to be rude, but I personally feel that you should have PIC experience under our regulations if you wish to be a captain at Omni or any other U.S. airline.

Hadn’t seen it posted....

https://www.aircargonews.net/airline...i-acquisition/

"Under our regulations"? I am a US Navy trained American with PIC and CFI time under 91 and 135. Many people work under regulators other than their original one at one time or another. It's career and personally enriching. Thanks for the reply and after re-reading the reg It's not a problem for me. The Ours and theirs opinion on the other hand.......

Please excuse the ignorant opinion above. It's not one shared by Omni management as Omni has recently hired a few pilots from foreign carriers who meet the regulations. Omni has always valued candidates with prior heavy International experience.

Hope to see you on the line here soon!

A lot of expat pilots are coming back stateside. I met a few at a job fair(2018). They are all at UPS, K4 and Omni now. Overseas 121 counts. I felt like I had a festering cold sore on my lip until 2016. Even ABX wouldn’t call me. Then my phone started ringing for interviews. I was one of the expats.

https://www.regulations.gov/document...2016-8912-0001

Captain Andrew K. Page, a highly experienced 12,000 hour heavy jet pilot (foreign air carrier NOT under Part 121) applied for an exemption to be a captain at Western Global Airlines (another ACMI) and was denied.

The OP originally asked if his foreign air carrier time would count towards the 121.436 requirements. I'm making an assumption here but I'm guessing he's interested in possibly a street captain position (or quick upgrade) and which is why he's asking. He made no mention of his other training, prior military, etc. in his first post. That being said, there is a 500 hour credit towards the reg for prior military time.

This type of experience is valuable and needed at Omni. I'm not sure how my comment was misconstrued as to him not be welcome at Omni or otherwise discriminated against. That is obviously not the case nor how I feel. I do not speak for anyone else let alone management. We need good people and it sounds like the OP might be such an individual.

While you may think my opinion is "ignorant", I made it very clear that it was a personal one. However, it appears the FAA shares my same ignorant way of thinking (if you read the ruling). That was the basis for their denial with respect to counting time not accrued under part 121 and applying it towards CFR 121.436(a)(3).

"although foreign air carrier operations are similar to U.S. carrier operations, there are significant differences related to the environment under which foreign air carrier operations are conducted, including possible cultural differences. Most importantly, pilots serving for foreign air carriers do not operate under U.S. regulations and may not have experience in the U.S. national airspace system.

Guys, you're going round and round over an issue that is quite simple really! That regulation only applies if you are trying for a DEC position, that's it! If you don't have 1,000 hours of part 121 SIC, Part 135 PIC and 91.1053 or a combination of them that comes to 1,000 hours you can't act as PIC until you meet this, it is that simple.
But your experience and your times are perfectly fine to get a job as an F/O, If you don't meet the above requirements that to me is very difficult because if you became an expat pilot to begin with, it means you already have extensive experience as an airline pilot, just get some part 135 PIC gig for a few hundred hours until you meet it. Who knows, you might even fall in love with flying all.over again.

Good idea. Go fly night freight in a metro, single pilot. Leave your current gig for it. Why bother being a wide body FO until you meet the requirement for Captain? Go fly blood samples in hard IMC in a clapped out freighter until you can be a DEC.

Sorry I didn't leave the wink emoji for guidance, I guess there are folks that need instructions on shampoo bottles after all.

This was the ignorant statement that rendered my response. It is the same as saying: Omni shouldn’t hire individuals with only corporate backgrounds because I personally believe you should have SIC or PIC experience under 121 operations first.

If you meet the qualifications for the job you’re qualified, leave the personal / non personal beliefs to the hiring managers.

Side bar: the corporate statement above is not my belief just for the purpose of the conversation at hand

I didn't mean to stir up controversy. I have over 1000 PIC under 135/91/military so I don't think it's an issue for me. I just need to refresh on the FARs and put them into practice along with new SOPs. I am not the person mentioned in an earlier post on this subject. I have applied for DEC because that was the application window open and I happen to be a current 777 CA flying to most corners of the planet. I have not heard back but would be happy as SIC as flying for OMNI is the goal because it seems interesting and most similar to being a Hong Kong based 777 pax CA. I'm happy to hear they value expat experience. It's simply a reflection of what opportunities were available at the time and who was desperate enough to give me a chance. I really look forward to returning to the US full time. Every time I arrive into SFO, JFK, BOS, LAX, ORD, it feels like returning home at Thanksgiving. Thanks for all the opinions/comments. The rule has been clarified for me. Cheers.

Atc psa
 

Three-day French ATC strike starts tonight

04DEC: French ATC strike alert!
It runs from 1800z tonight until 0500z on Sunday, with en-route regulations expected to be applied across all sectors – which means big delays pretty much everywhere.

Thinking of applying and hopefully getting a call. Just a few questions:

1: what does an average First Officer paycheck look like these days in the first year?

2: is there any overtime flying these days?

3: is there any soft money that is in the contract not mentioned on
APC?

4: what is the average Captain upgrade time these days?

5: what are the fleet expansion plans?

6: is there a lot of attrition?

Thanks!!!

I was just looking back through this thread and saw some references to DEC is the his still a possibility at OAI?

Thanks!

$124*64 hours (breaking guarantee is rare, esp. if junior) plus whatever per diem if you want to brown bag it Deadheading pays half towards guarantee) extra money if you work your override days, more extra money if you work your days off. Can sell yourself out of business class if you want to but I wouldn't recommend it. That's about it for money. Overtime is hit or miss.

Upgrade is essentially instant if you meet the mins, since we are hiring street CAs. First class starts around now I think. According to the powers that be, "almost all" street CAs are previous wide-body CAs.

I haven't seen a whole lot of attrition, a few retirements, a few picked up at "dream job"s.

Ok.....thanks much for the information. Outside of the street Captains, how long is the upgrade? I assume it will slow after the street Captains are hired.

Best of luck to those applying and going to Omni! I interviewed last spring and received a CJO. Unfortunately, they were quite backed up in the training department and experiencing significant delay; by the time a class date became available, I had already decided to pursue a master’s degree and didn’t think I could balance an initial with my additional course-work.

Does anyone know how they view folks that reapply after leaving the pool (I’m assuming poorly)? While I likely made the responsible choice, I still believe I missed out on a great opportunity.

Anyways, sounds like things are going well here! Best of luck, everyone!

What? That’s what street Captain means. Immediate upgrade.

Yes.....I know what it means. Please note outside of the street Captains ( since I’m asking the question, I don’t meet the requirements), I’m asking what is the normal upgrade time and given the street Captains, I suspect “normal upgrade” will slow down given that there are new Captains and so I’m asking an opinion on time....

Even after the street captains get on online, if you meet the times, you can attempt upgrade. This of course baring any major change in other factors. I meet the time, but still want to see some more international ops before. This place isn’t a regional upgrade. We’ve had a few upgrade failures recently.


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The internal company mins are you must meet part 121 upgrade minimums in addition to:

(A) 6,000 hours of total time of which 2,000 hours are as Pilot in Command ("PIC"); or
(B) 24 months of Crewmember experience on Company aircraft and 3,000 pilot hours total time and 500 pilot hours in Company aircraft.

So what extra did the DECs bring to (A) so they didn't need (B)...

Note the "or" in the statement..

It's either/or. Presumably, they meet A already (and I'm guessing quite a bit more.). FWIW, I also meet A, work here, and personally would not try upgrade without significant experience in this sort of flying.