Originally Posted by seoceancrosser

Good morning folks, I have a few specific question for 121 supplemental pilots.

1. How many hours are you paid for a month and how many hours do you normally fly?

At World guarantee is 65 or 76 for Reserve. Normally fly - lowest is 0 highest is 95 for me - I would say average credit is in the 70's

2. If you reach your guarantee how much are you paid over guarantee for every day that you sit in a company provided hotel and don't fly?

Trip rig is 1 for 5 - so 4.8 hours per day but that only kicks in if you don't have higher credit - see 3

3. Do you have a duty or trip rig to have time idle time in a hotel credited per day of sitting while your company tries to figure out what to do with you next?

We get paid the higher of - credit (flight time plus half dhd), guarantee and Trip Hour period (1 hour of pay for every 5 hours away)

4. If you do have a trip or duty rig what would it take for you to go with out it and sit on reserve in a hotel away from home 18 days a month with no daily credit towards your guarantee?

Well 18 days would pay at around 84 hours (you don't leave home at midnight and get back at midnight) on our 1 for 5 rig. Personally I would want a higher than 84 hour guarantee and a bump in per diem - $2.40 per hour doesn't go far now in Europe. I think most guys would rather not be sitting in hotels for long periods of time.


The only reason I ask is because I work for Omni and we have had our 2nd TA presented to us. A lot of us do not know what our fellow pilots QOL is like. Thanks ahead of time for your insight!!!

Originally Posted by WorldDC10

I hope this helps. What did your second TA have in it. Why don't you ask your union to compare it to other contracts when it is sent out?

Originally Posted by seoceancrosser

I second what IP said. This second TA is almost everything we have now with a minor pay bump. It's a kick in the sack to our pilot group and this profession. I posed the questions so some of our close minded members can see what we could really ask for. Some just don't have a clue. I know more members of our pilot group read this website than our own union website. Even some our management type stops by here every now then too. The funny part is that FO's as most of our competition make more than our management people that justify this non-sense. I get to experience the joy of sitting in a station (not home) for several days (more than 4) with nothing but some hotel points to show for it. This crap and a few other things needs to stop!!! Thanks Connie for your post and I look forward to seeing more and our pilot group's reaction. Keep em' coming!!!

Originally Posted by NightIP

... Classic negotiating tactic: Lowball the hell out of an offer, and the next one that comes across, even if still low, will seem like a win.

I hope I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by Hetman

You're not. Also add the "You need to hurry up and take the deal because you will lose it if you don't" tactic. It's like we are being sold a used car.

Originally Posted by seoceancrosser

Good morning folks, I have a few specific question for 121 supplemental pilots.

1. How many hours are you paid for a month and how many hours do you normally fly?

61 credit hour 28 day guarantee, (66 hours if you convert it to a calendar month), a guess on flight time would be about 30-35 hours.

2. If you reach your guarantee how much are you paid over guarantee for every day that you sit in a company provided hotel and don't fly?

We are paid 4.5 credit hours for every day on our schedule, with a few rare exceptions. If your line is built to guarantee and on day 1 you fly a trip that goes 5 hours over 4.5 (9.5 hour trip), you will get 5 hours of pay even if you don't do a single thing for the rest of the month but sit in a hotel.

3. Do you have a duty or trip rig to have time idle time in a hotel credited per day of sitting while your company tries to figure out what to do with you next?

We have a 1 for 2 duty rig, or 1 minute of pay for every 2 minutes of duty while we are on duty, deadheading, traveling, or in training (on our days on).

We have a trip rig that kicks in on one occasion. They have the right to put what we call a Non-Duty Day, and only used with extremely high time trip sequences. If they use a NDD, the trip rig of 1 for 3.75 is applied to that trip sequence for the entire trip, essentially raising the daily credit to 6.4 hours per day. Of course the flight credits would apply if that were higher than the trip rig. They rarely use the NDD, thus the trip rig is rare.

4. If you do have a trip or duty rig what would it take for you to go with out it and sit on reserve in a hotel away from home 18 days a month with no daily credit towards your guarantee?

Since our trip rig doesn't normally apply, and our duty rig doesn't apply for time spent sitting in a hotel, the 4.5 hour minimum daily credit is one of the most valuable things in our contract. Without it, we would get hosed flying high time trips until we hit guarantee, then sit in hotels the rest of our time on reserve or on 24/7 rest periods, losing every bit of the extra hours we accumulated flying trips. I for one wouldn't vote for any contract that doesn't have a hard minimum daily guarantee.

The only reason I ask is because I work for Omni and we have had our 2nd TA presented to us. A lot of us do not know what our fellow pilots QOL is like. Thanks ahead of time for your insight!!!

Originally Posted by NightIP

Check the private forum...Today it's the "We could get trip rig but the company would furlough" schtick. If this TA passes, I want the IBT off property within a month. We need real representation.