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01-06-2022, 06:42 AM
#31
Porco Rosso
Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,522
Originally Posted by godsnotapilot
Section 3 of the GOM
Divert = Fuel to destination + furthest alternate + 45 minutes (1800 lbs)
Final Divert = Fuel to destination + furthest alternate + 30 minutes (1206 lbs)
If you are going to land with less than 1800 lbs, declare “min fuel”.
If you are going to land with less than 1206 lbs,
declare “Emergency Fuel”.
Divert = Fuel to destination + furthest alternate + 45 minutes (1800 lbs)
Final Divert = Fuel to destination + furthest alternate + 30 minutes (1206 lbs)
If you are going to land with less than 1800 lbs, declare “min fuel”.
If you are going to land with less than 1206 lbs,
declare “Emergency Fuel”.
01-06-2022, 01:23 PM
#32
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Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 28
Originally Posted by piloto2
I think you missed the point of the question there, ace. Aren't the two different numbers there in the 1st place because pilots were diverting to alternates when on short final at their destination? Kinda like the memo that management sent you guys telling you not to lick the suction cups to attach the window shades. When a company pays $hit wages and has matching work rules, there does tend to be a decline in the quality of applicants that are attracted.
At what point are you going to declare min fuel, and then at what point would you declare a fuel emergency?
I’ll give you a hint, the dispatch release provides these numbers already.
01-07-2022, 08:25 AM
#33
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Joined APC: Aug 2009
Posts: 511
Originally Posted by piloto2
I think you missed the point of the question there, ace. Aren't the two different numbers there in the 1st place because pilots were diverting to alternates when on short final at their destination? Kinda like the memo that management sent you guys telling you not to lick the suction cups to attach the window shades. When a company pays $hit wages and has matching work rules, there does tend to be a decline in the quality of applicants that are attracted.
01-17-2022, 05:42 PM
#35
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Position: Pipers!
Posts: 377
Originally Posted by N6279P
Better question is why reinvent the wheel with these ridiculous terms called “divert” and “final divert”?
is the farthest alternate the “final destination”?
could have a lot of fun with all these terms…
01-18-2022, 07:03 AM
#36
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Joined APC: Dec 2011
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 852
Originally Posted by jacburn
I don't believe it was "Pilots". It was one pilot that did it at least twice because she was following the book and it stated to divert if the divert fuel number was reached during the Dash days. So the company changed the book to allow someone on final to continue the approach below divert fuel but they should never go below final divert fuel.
There are plenty of reasonable complaints to make about this place. Focusing on this one seems rather silly.
Training continues to get better. Paper weight and balance is gone at the end of the month. I still see Mesa guys standing at printers getting released while I get mine on an iPad. There are worse airlines to work for, just not very many.
01-18-2022, 09:14 AM
#37
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Joined APC: Dec 2020
Posts: 92
Originally Posted by tallpilot
It's worth mentioning that CommutAir is not the only airline with procedures designed to enforce common sense due to some event that happened in the past.
There are plenty of reasonable complaints to make about this place. Focusing on this one seems rather silly.
Training continues to get better. Paper weight and balance is gone at the end of the month. I still see Mesa guys standing at printers getting released while I get mine on an iPad. There are worse airlines to work for, just not very many.
There are plenty of reasonable complaints to make about this place. Focusing on this one seems rather silly.
Training continues to get better. Paper weight and balance is gone at the end of the month. I still see Mesa guys standing at printers getting released while I get mine on an iPad. There are worse airlines to work for, just not very many.
Surely each flight isn’t manually computed?
01-19-2022, 05:53 PM
#39
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Joined APC: Aug 2009
Posts: 511
Originally Posted by ASAP
Wait, what do you mean about paper weight and balance?
Surely each flight isn’t manually computed?
Surely each flight isn’t manually computed?
Unfortunately, there is one dumb butt at corporate that does not want to part ways with the 1970's. If it is not his idea, then it won't work and is immediately shot down.
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