Commut a good choice for the future?
#41
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This right here. Try to pick one that is becoming the preferred not the current preferred. Being at the front is the difference of 1 month of reserve and fast upgrade vs 6 months of reserve with hire dates only a few classes apart. This is a very fickle industry that changes monthly.
C5 is a good place to learn and build experience. IAD is a small base but with good movement on the FO side.
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C5 is a good place to learn and build experience. IAD is a small base but with good movement on the FO side.
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Just over the summer, Mesa seemed like bad things were coming their way because AA pulled some planes, people thought they'd get bought out, whatever. Now they have 20 175's coming. I'm eager to see what happens with C5 and the contract and how growing the in house captains might help attrition and staffing. I know by the time I finish IOE many many things could change and it could very well not be the same company I signed on with, but that's why I'm annoying pilots on these forums and trying to get the best idea before I drink too much kool-aid for any one place. And thank you to everybody giving some insight!
#42
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Whats a realistic salary for a junior captain with a line who flies an extra day or two a month?
Since no one posted in the regional salary survey thread, I'm looking for a few data points with what is realistic for CA's, in terms of salary, credit hours, and days off. I know of course 2-300% is common.
Since no one posted in the regional salary survey thread, I'm looking for a few data points with what is realistic for CA's, in terms of salary, credit hours, and days off. I know of course 2-300% is common.
#45
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Aside from the chance to interview with United, there is no advantage to Aviate and UA does not give any preferential hiring to partner companies. In fact, the major downside to Aviate is that it's one-and-done. Fail the interview and UA will never give you another chance, through Aviate or off-the-street.
Do not go to any UA partner regional for Aviate. There was some advantage to the program it replaced (known as the CPP) as compared to off-the-street hires, in that the entire interview was a 45 minute session of "story time". Now, however, everyone in Aviate does the same interview as an off-the-street hire.
The success rate for Aviate is reportedly around 30-35%. That's either working exactly as planned or is failing miserably at its task -- I don't know which, but I'm sure someone in UA does. My guess is, as most people on the thread covering this subject have surmised, that Aviate is nothing more than a recruiting tool designed to staff the regionals -- not UA per se. I've flown with my share of guys who have passed and failed the Aviate interview and it's clear they're leaving some very good people on the table, so I'd call that a "fail", regardless of the intent of the program.
Since you're still in school, my advice is to keep doing your research, as this industry can turn on a dime. The "preferred" regionals of today may very well change in as little as six months so I wouldn't lock myself into any particular program or regional at this time. Just keep your eye to the sky, so to speak, and apply to the most appropriate place(s) when you're ready.
Do not go to any UA partner regional for Aviate. There was some advantage to the program it replaced (known as the CPP) as compared to off-the-street hires, in that the entire interview was a 45 minute session of "story time". Now, however, everyone in Aviate does the same interview as an off-the-street hire.
The success rate for Aviate is reportedly around 30-35%. That's either working exactly as planned or is failing miserably at its task -- I don't know which, but I'm sure someone in UA does. My guess is, as most people on the thread covering this subject have surmised, that Aviate is nothing more than a recruiting tool designed to staff the regionals -- not UA per se. I've flown with my share of guys who have passed and failed the Aviate interview and it's clear they're leaving some very good people on the table, so I'd call that a "fail", regardless of the intent of the program.
Since you're still in school, my advice is to keep doing your research, as this industry can turn on a dime. The "preferred" regionals of today may very well change in as little as six months so I wouldn't lock myself into any particular program or regional at this time. Just keep your eye to the sky, so to speak, and apply to the most appropriate place(s) when you're ready.
Aviate is essentially a guaranteed interview as long as you have the ability to put together a professional application, don’t have major disqualifiers in your past (felony, etc), and have the ability to
follow basic instructions during the application process.
Now, what is a guaranteed interview? It is not a guaranteed job, a preferential path, or any other inside track that gives you an advantage over other candidates; it is a one time opportunity to present yourself and show United why they should hire you. The four hours you spend with them is what you have worked your entire career for. This is your one chance to earn your career dream job. Based on what I’ve seen, I believe the acceptance rate of those who treated it in this way has been very high.
The big question in placing a value on Aviate for you personally is “how valuable is a guaranteed interview”? This will be different for everyone, but for me it was a no-brainer. As a reference, many folks have spent many many years trying to get an opportunity to interview before they get their chance. And I’m some cases, folks have spent decades trying and have never received the call.
Also, please keep in mind as you use this forum as an information-gathering tool that the opinions shared here vary greatly due to the personal experiences, histories, and profiles of the posters—experiences, histories and profiles that may or may not correlate to you and your likelihood of success.
Good luck on your journey, and much success to you 🥂
#46
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Just to add another data point for your information gathering, I’ll share thoughts based on my experience with C5 and the Aviate. I chose C5 specifically for the Aviate (previously CPP) opportunity, and I would definitely recommend that path as long as you understand what Aviate is and isn’t before doing it.
Now, what is a guaranteed interview? It is not a guaranteed job, a preferential path, or any other inside track that gives you an advantage over other candidates; it is a one time opportunity to present yourself and show United why they should hire you. The four hours you spend with them is what you have worked your entire career for.
Now, what is a guaranteed interview? It is not a guaranteed job, a preferential path, or any other inside track that gives you an advantage over other candidates; it is a one time opportunity to present yourself and show United why they should hire you. The four hours you spend with them is what you have worked your entire career for.
However, the ‘one shot’ piece of it makes it seem almost too scary to apply. Since it’s a big deal it’s suppose to feel overwhelming and uncertain, but at the same time how could a couple hundred hr Cessna pilot make that cut? They opened it up to university / professional pilot programs so I imagine the completion at that level is comparable but it’s an unknown. I have friends who made it to the Delta Propel program which is the same sort of deal with Delta and they’re all very sharp and deserving students, but the idea screwing it up and that sticking with you after 5 years and making regional CA seems worrisome.
#47
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So that’s the interesting point for where I am personally; ERAU was announced as a partner university last week. Pending the whole application and interview process they advertise a CJO for United after going through whatever UAX carrier you go to that’s on the list. I’m hesitant because it seems like a good deal to get on board with before you leave university, especially if the partnered regionals were already on your preferred list and UAL was already your goal.
However, the ‘one shot’ piece of it makes it seem almost too scary to apply. Since it’s a big deal it’s suppose to feel overwhelming and uncertain, but at the same time how could a couple hundred hr Cessna pilot make that cut? They opened it up to university / professional pilot programs so I imagine the completion at that level is comparable but it’s an unknown. I have friends who made it to the Delta Propel program which is the same sort of deal with Delta and they’re all very sharp and deserving students, but the idea screwing it up and that sticking with you after 5 years and making regional CA seems worrisome.
However, the ‘one shot’ piece of it makes it seem almost too scary to apply. Since it’s a big deal it’s suppose to feel overwhelming and uncertain, but at the same time how could a couple hundred hr Cessna pilot make that cut? They opened it up to university / professional pilot programs so I imagine the completion at that level is comparable but it’s an unknown. I have friends who made it to the Delta Propel program which is the same sort of deal with Delta and they’re all very sharp and deserving students, but the idea screwing it up and that sticking with you after 5 years and making regional CA seems worrisome.
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