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woutlaw 09-30-2014 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by PRSwell (Post 1736880)
Does compass have there own upgrade mins? I have over 1000 PIC 135 time but no 121. Per the FARs I believe I would be legal to upgrade with 1000 hrs PIC 135, but not sure if compass has there own mins.

You should be good if the 135 PIC time was in a 10+ seat jet or for a commuter operation.

I may be wrong, it's been known to happen. :-)

By the way I read the regs, the 3,500+ hours of 135 PIC I have is useless for upgrade because it was for a freight operation, which isn't included in 135.243(a)(1).

Not a huge issue for me personally since I'd prefer to wait until I can hold MSP CA and by then I'll have more than the required 1,000 hrs 121 SIC anyway.

Having flown the thing a scant six months, I gotta say that 1,000+ hours learning the Jungle Bus from the right seat before jumping into the left isn't the worst thing in the world.

Will

PILEOAV8R 09-30-2014 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by woutlaw (Post 1737125)
You should be good if the 135 PIC time was in a 10+ seat jet or for a commuter operation.

I may be wrong, it's been known to happen. :-)

By the way I read the regs, the 3,500+ hours of 135 PIC I have is useless for upgrade because it was for a freight operation, which isn't included in 135.243(a)(1).

Not a huge issue for me personally since I'd prefer to wait until I can hold MSP CA and by then I'll have more than the required 1,000 hrs 121 SIC anyway.

Having flown the thing a scant six months, I gotta say that 1,000+ hours learning the Jungle Bus from the right seat before jumping into the left isn't the worst thing in the world.

Will

MSP CA might be a long time coming... Hard to tell what the future holds but as of right now MSP does seem to be growing and in fact may be shrinking slightly...

I've been in the business 7 years and this is the closest I have ever been to upgrade. So I've made the decision to take the first upgrade I can which will be LAX.

Just food for thought...

FlyingMoe 09-30-2014 06:52 AM

Does anyone have any suggestions or recommendations on where to stay in Minneapolis during training? (Cost effective would be great since we're paying for it ourselves)

woutlaw 09-30-2014 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by PILEOAV8R (Post 1737139)
MSP CA might be a long time coming... Hard to tell what the future holds but as of right now MSP does seem to be growing and in fact may be shrinking slightly...

I've been in the business 7 years and this is the closest I have ever been to upgrade. So I've made the decision to take the first upgrade I can which will be LAX.

Just food for thought...

Yeah, I totally hear you and it's good food for thought. Appreciate it.

I'm weirdly enjoying being in the right seat after 5 1/2 years in the left, but if it looks like LAX CA May/June-ish is doable I'll have a hard time bypassing.

Either way, I really do enjoy it here. I have a ton to learn, so waiting until I've spent 1,000 hours in the right seat doesn't bother me at all.

It's a good problem to have. :-)

saturn 09-30-2014 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by PILEOAV8R (Post 1737139)
MSP CA might be a long time coming... Hard to tell what the future holds but as of RIGHT NOW MSP does seem to be growing and in fact may be shrinking slightly...

I've been in the business 7 years and this is the closest I have ever been to upgrade. So I've made the decision to take the first upgrade I can which will be LAX.

Just food for thought...

Where do you think the bulk of the captain vacancies will be for the 150+ flows?

bjohnson09 09-30-2014 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by woutlaw (Post 1737125)
You should be good if the 135 PIC time was in a 10+ seat jet or for a commuter operation.

I may be wrong, it's been known to happen. :-)

By the way I read the regs, the 3,500+ hours of 135 PIC I have is useless for upgrade because it was for a freight operation, which isn't included in 135.243(a)(1).

Not a huge issue for me personally since I'd prefer to wait until I can hold MSP CA and by then I'll have more than the required 1,000 hrs 121 SIC anyway.

Having flown the thing a scant six months, I gotta say that 1,000+ hours learning the Jungle Bus from the right seat before jumping into the left isn't the worst thing in the world.

Will

I'm guessing flying PIC under Part 135 on-demand in a Citation Bravo (8 passenger seats) doesn't qualify towards the 1000 hour rule?

3stripes 09-30-2014 09:03 AM

I heard you guys are losing all of your ZED agreements? Has the company mentioned any plans to set up their own?

dickmaster3000 09-30-2014 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by saturn (Post 1737277)
Where do you think the bulk of the captain vacancies will be for the 150+ flows?

I would assume MSP/DTW.. but I plan on holding out for SEA Captain anyway.

woutlaw 09-30-2014 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by bjohnson09 (Post 1737285)
I'm guessing flying PIC under Part 135 on-demand in a Citation Bravo (8 passenger seats) doesn't qualify towards the 1000 hour rule?

That's the way I'd read it, but I could be mistaken.

There is a credit for up to 500 hours of military, multi-engine, multi-pilot, turbine. Single-seat fighter guys are SOL.


§121.436 Pilot Qualification: Certificates and experience requirements.
(a) No certificate holder may use nor may any pilot act as pilot in command of an aircraft (or as second in command of an aircraft in a flag or supplemental operation that requires three or more pilots) unless the pilot:

(1) Holds an airline transport pilot certificate not subject to the limitations in §61.167 of this chapter;

(2) Holds an appropriate aircraft type rating for the aircraft being flown; and

(3) If serving as pilot in command in part 121 operations, has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under §91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under §135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof. For those pilots who are employed as pilot in command in part 121 operations on July 31, 2013, compliance with the requirements of this paragraph (a)(3) is not required.

§ 135.243 Pilot in command qualifications.
(a) No certificate holder may use a person, nor may any person serve, as pilot in command in passenger-carrying operations—
(1) Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter, unless that person holds an airline transport pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that airplane.

crewdawg 09-30-2014 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by FlyingMoe (Post 1737182)
Does anyone have any suggestions or recommendations on where to stay in Minneapolis during training? (Cost effective would be great since we're paying for it ourselves)

Check out craigslist, my sim partner and I got a heck of a deal on an apartment (need a car). We found a guy that had a finished basement with two rooms, a bathroom and a living room. Well worth driving my car up there. All tolled I think I spent <$1,000 for the whole time I was there (over 2 years ago). You could also check airbnb. You might be able to negotiate a monthly rate with someone.

Moonwolf 09-30-2014 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by dickmaster3000 (Post 1737314)
I would assume MSP/DTW.. but I plan on holding out for SEA Captain anyway.

Seattle base? I didn't think compass have a Seattle base? Not even on the seniority list waiting for a base that doesn't exist, hope it all works out

Snickers 09-30-2014 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by 3stripes (Post 1737311)
I heard you guys are losing all of your ZED agreements? Has the company mentioned any plans to set up their own?

There has been nothing official telling us we are losing our ZEDs. Purely speculation. Same thing with us losing our guaranteed interview. I'll believe it when and if it happens.

All depends if your pitcher is half full or half empty I guess.

dickmaster3000 09-30-2014 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by Moonwolf (Post 1737321)
Seattle base? I didn't think compass have a Seattle base? Not even on the seniority list waiting for a base that doesn't exist, hope it all works out

Yeah, I'm obviously joking!!

Rsv4lyfe 09-30-2014 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by Moonwolf (Post 1737321)
Seattle base? I didn't think compass have a Seattle base? Not even on the seniority list waiting for a base that doesn't exist, hope it all works out

Oh, just wait!

Toonces 09-30-2014 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by bjohnson09 (Post 1737317)
I'm guessing flying PIC under Part 135 on-demand in a Citation Bravo (8 passenger seats) doesn't qualify towards the 1000 hour rule?


Originally Posted by woutlaw (Post 1737317)
That's the way I'd read it, but I could be mistaken.

There is a credit for up to 500 hours of military, multi-engine, multi-pilot, turbine. Single-seat fighter guys are SOL.


§121.436 Pilot Qualification: Certificates and experience requirements.
(a) No certificate holder may use nor may any pilot act as pilot in command of an aircraft (or as second in command of an aircraft in a flag or supplemental operation that requires three or more pilots) unless the pilot:

(1) Holds an airline transport pilot certificate not subject to the limitations in §61.167 of this chapter;

(2) Holds an appropriate aircraft type rating for the aircraft being flown; and

(3) If serving as pilot in command in part 121 operations, has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under §91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under §135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof. For those pilots who are employed as pilot in command in part 121 operations on July 31, 2013, compliance with the requirements of this paragraph (a)(3) is not required.

§ 135.243 Pilot in command qualifications.
(a) No certificate holder may use a person, nor may any person serve, as pilot in command in passenger-carrying operations—
(1) Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter, unless that person holds an airline transport pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that airplane.

Citation PIC is good to go. It's a turbo jet. Flying a multi-engine turbo prop or other prop with the seat restrictions above is not.

bjohnson09 09-30-2014 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by Toonces (Post 1737357)
Citation PIC is good to go. It's a turbo jet. Flying a multi-engine turbo prop or other prop with the seat restrictions above is not.

I might have to get an FAA LOI on this. The way I read the reg...it doesn't matter if its a turbojet, but that it has to have either 10 seats or more OR be involved in a commuter operation.

djrogs03 09-30-2014 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by woutlaw (Post 1737125)
You should be good if the 135 PIC time was in a 10+ seat jet or for a commuter operation.

I may be wrong, it's been known to happen. :-)

By the way I read the regs, the 3,500+ hours of 135 PIC I have is useless for upgrade because it was for a freight operation, which isn't included in 135.243(a)(1).

Not a huge issue for me personally since I'd prefer to wait until I can hold MSP CA and by then I'll have more than the required 1,000 hrs 121 SIC anyway.

Having flown the thing a scant six months, I gotta say that 1,000+ hours learning the Jungle Bus from the right seat before jumping into the left isn't the worst thing in the world.

Will

I presume MSP will stay senior on captain side, I know there a lot of pilots either already upgraded or about to upgrade that live in MSP and will surely keep MSP our senior captain domicile. There also quite a few LAX captains that will go back to MSP when they can hold a line their.

kb8018 09-30-2014 10:37 AM

Compass updates
 
Is MSP or DTW more senior for CAs?

PILEOAV8R 09-30-2014 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by saturn (Post 1737277)
Where do you think the bulk of the captain vacancies will be for the 150+ flows?

This is purely speculation but I believe that most of the vacancies for now will be in LAX due to addition of the AA flying based out of LAX (what we know right now).

That being said the most senior base for Captains at this point is MSP and as those folks leave it WILL create openings in MSP. It just remains to be seen how many of us bid back to MSP...

In my situation if I have to choose between 18-19 days off and productive trips as a LAX Captain or Reserve or a 12 day off line in MSP I may have to think hard about my life as a commuter...

woutlaw 09-30-2014 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by Toonces (Post 1737357)
Citation PIC is good to go. It's a turbo jet. Flying a multi-engine turbo prop or other prop with the seat restrictions above is not.

Good eye! I think you may be correct. Thanks!

Those darn FAA commas get me every time.

So, looking closer:

+ Turbojet PIC.
+ More than 10 pax seats, PIC.
+ Multi-engine commuter, PIC.

All count.

bjohnson09 09-30-2014 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by woutlaw (Post 1737520)
Good eye! I think you may be correct. Thanks!

Those darn FAA commas get me every time.

So, looking closer:

+ Turbojet PIC.
+ More than 10 pax seats, PIC.
+ Multi-engine commuter, PIC.

All count.

Thanks guys for the help

3stripes 10-01-2014 01:18 PM

What's your average attrition per month excluding the Delta flow through guys?

Fecking EJet 10-02-2014 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by 3stripes (Post 1738128)
What's your average attrition per month excluding the Delta flow through guys?

I'd be interested in knowing the answer to this too...

johnson48 10-02-2014 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by 3stripes (Post 1738128)
What's your average attrition per month excluding the Delta flow through guys?

I asked this several pages back and was told 3-5

BlueMoon 10-02-2014 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by johnson48 (Post 1738781)
I asked this several pages back and was told 3-5

Those are coming form all parts of the list too, not just the captain ranks.

aquamoons 10-02-2014 04:22 PM

Any inside story on pass rate from GND and Sim?
I heard they are doing AQP style initial.

BlueMoon 10-02-2014 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by aquamoons (Post 1738985)
Any inside story on pass rate from GND and Sim?
I heard they are doing AQP style initial.

It's got to be near 100%, Honestly just study, and don't be a jerk and you will be fine. I'm sure there are a couple people who don't make it, but I'm sure it is a small percentage.

AQP has been here pretty much since the beginning.

Rsv4lyfe 10-02-2014 05:44 PM

Ya, it's got to be pretty close to 100%.

Good training here and they want you to pass. They won't cut you lose like other places for small stuff.

djrogs03 10-03-2014 04:37 PM

Heard a new rumor today...catch this.....from a DL 737 Capt in our jumpseat, this from the DL Station manager in SEA who met with DL management, there is a good possibility they are going to start putting RJ's (preferentially us) on SEA to Alaska routes (JNU, KTN, SIT, ANC, FAI). Some of it would be bridge flying between lower Alaska to upper, but they want to go head to head with AS on some of these routes...not sure how plausible, I'm definitely not drinking the coolaid, but I thought I'de share...

Maingear 10-03-2014 06:43 PM

Could someone send me the lights and switches guide please? My buddy who's there only has a paper copy.

Peak13 10-03-2014 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by djrogs03 (Post 1739678)
Heard a new rumor today...catch this.....from a DL 737 Capt in our jumpseat, this from the DL Station manager in SEA who met with DL management, there is a good possibility they are going to start putting RJ's (preferentially us) on SEA to Alaska routes (JNU, KTN, SIT, ANC, FAI). Some of it would be bridge flying between lower Alaska to upper, but they want to go head to head with AS on some of these routes...not sure how plausible, I'm definitely not drinking the coolaid, but I thought I'de share...

I'd look forward to having more than LAX, SFO, SEA, SAN, PDX on my trip sheets...

MrMustache 10-03-2014 10:10 PM


Originally Posted by djrogs03 (Post 1739678)
Heard a new rumor today...catch this.....from a DL 737 Capt in our jumpseat, this from the DL Station manager in SEA who met with DL management, there is a good possibility they are going to start putting RJ's (preferentially us) on SEA to Alaska routes (JNU, KTN, SIT, ANC, FAI). Some of it would be bridge flying between lower Alaska to upper, but they want to go head to head with AS on some of these routes...not sure how plausible, I'm definitely not drinking the coolaid, but I thought I'de share...

That is a rumor from many other sources as well and we are or will soon be working on RNP for it I hear.

MrMustache 10-03-2014 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by Maingear (Post 1739717)
Could someone send me the lights and switches guide please? My buddy who's there only has a paper copy.

Have you started yet? It's on your cd they give you.

Maingear 10-04-2014 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by MrMustache (Post 1739802)
Have you started yet? It's on your cd they give you.

No, I start next month but I'm bored and plan on getting a head start.

whataclub 10-04-2014 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by djrogs03 (Post 1739678)
Heard a new rumor today...catch this.....from a DL 737 Capt in our jumpseat, this from the DL Station manager in SEA who met with DL management, there is a good possibility they are going to start putting RJ's (preferentially us) on SEA to Alaska routes (JNU, KTN, SIT, ANC, FAI). Some of it would be bridge flying between lower Alaska to upper, but they want to go head to head with AS on some of these routes...not sure how plausible, I'm definitely not drinking the coolaid, but I thought I'de share...

There is some more fuel for that SEA base...

Al Czervik 10-04-2014 07:23 AM

JNU with a new CA and a 1,500 hour FO... Yikes!

BlueMoon 10-04-2014 11:16 AM

Wonder how many times the plane will need to be rebooted after a night in Alaska. Also, I don't think this is going to happen.

MrMustache 10-04-2014 12:15 PM

Probably not but I do know they are working on RNP.

BlueMoon 10-04-2014 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by MrMustache (Post 1740129)
Probably not but I do know they are working on RNP.

I don't doubt that, lots of reasons to develop an RNP program other than Alaska.

Moonwolf 10-04-2014 12:57 PM

Any truth to the rumor that big daddy deltas putting the kibosh on compass picking up that aa flying?


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