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jparker371 08-19-2009 08:51 PM

Compass updates
 
heard compass was looking to add 45 guys or so this fall, any validity to this rumor? any updates would be appreciated, thanks.

Oberon 08-19-2009 09:27 PM

Compass has been somewhat understaffed for most of it's short history...I seriously doubt management has decided to go hog wild on hiring to the point where we are overstaffed by more than 10%. I suppose anything is possible, but I doubt it.

BlueRidger328 08-20-2009 10:02 AM

Well we are short FO's, and they are Upgrading at least 6 maybe up to 18 FO's to captains, so it would look likely that they would need to hire about that many new hires. They are also hirinig Dispatchers and FA's on a basis greater than what we would appear to need. Either they are preparing for growth or more likely preparing for massive attrition. Time will tell.

Oh yeah the 2 growth theories are(not mine):that we are buying Shuttle America's 175's. because they are buying Frontierand losing their DL contract. or that they are transferring more of Comair's flying to other regionals including Compass.

Herbie 08-20-2009 01:46 PM

All I know is that yesterday was the last day they had any interviews scheduled. Hopefully they have some more around the corner.

UnlimitedAkro 08-20-2009 05:15 PM

Yes, 45 more pilots are on the way by the end of the year. I do not know when the official announcement will come. Good luck to all.

shadyops 08-20-2009 06:45 PM

All pilots will always have a PIC type. It's in the contract and our approved 121 training program.

Avroman 08-20-2009 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by shadyops (Post 665710)
All pilots will always have a PIC type. It's in the contract and our approved 121 training program.

The way it should be for all the airlines. ATP with PIC type.

Oberon 08-20-2009 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by BlueRidger328 (Post 665385)
Well we are short FO's, and they are Upgrading at least 6 maybe up to 18 FO's to captains, so it would look likely that they would need to hire about that many new hires. They are also hirinig Dispatchers and FA's on a basis greater than what we would appear to need. Either they are preparing for growth or more likely preparing for massive attrition. Time will tell.

Oh yeah the 2 growth theories are(not mine):that we are buying Shuttle America's 175's. because they are buying Frontierand losing their DL contract. or that they are transferring more of Comair's flying to other regionals including Compass.

Dispatchers are moving from Chantilly to MSP in a few months...not all will make the move...Compass will need more dispatchers.

Flight Attendants are getting fired or quitting at a fairly steady pace. It's essentially a minimum wage job. I'm guessing attrition will always be high for Flight Attendants unless compensation is changed dramatically...not holding my breath.

I don't have any inside information, but I just don't see any growth at Compass (not necessarily a bad thing). Why would Republic sell it's airplanes to Delta? They have 25 airlines, I'm sure they can find somewhere to fly them if Delta were to decide to cancel their contract.

Of course this is all opinion.

saxman66 08-21-2009 07:34 AM

Does Compass still require 1000 multi? I keep getting conflicting information. Their website says 1000 but some papers at a job fair I was at said only 500. Even the CP their said 500 was good. But the website and application ask if you have over 1000.

pegasus6234 08-22-2009 04:58 AM

There is class of 6 that started last week, another class of 6 starting the week of the 28th, and one more class in September so far. I got in this next class starting on the 28th. Looks like experience levels are starting to rise (7000+ TT). I've been on the street for 6 months, this is the first bite I have gotten. I'm thankful to be one of the chosen few.

mynameisjim 08-22-2009 05:16 AM

I'm also hearing there is a class of 6 in October.

RoughLandings 08-22-2009 07:12 AM

Wow, I can't believe this thread has lasted three days without the inevitable "When do the flowbacks start?" post!

hslightnin 08-22-2009 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by RoughLandings (Post 666470)
Wow, I can't believe this thread has lasted three days without the inevitable "When do the flowbacks start?" post!

im more interested in when the flow up's start

atpcliff 08-22-2009 10:48 AM

The flowups will start relatively soon. Flowbacks? In 6-10 years there will probably be some, but not for any pilots currently at DAL.

cliff
NBO

slainTZwarrior 08-23-2009 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 666573)
The flowups will start relatively soon. Flowbacks? In 6-10 years there will probably be some, but not for any pilots currently at DAL.

cliff
NBO

Cliff, please explain what your crystal ball is showing you. The general feeling out there is that the combined Delta will be overstaffed through next summer and beyond. I don't see any hiring (flowup) at Delta anytime soon.

atpcliff 08-23-2009 07:06 AM

Hi!

Because the "general feeling" is wrong. It is based on how things have been going, which is not good.

Economically, the world is improving, overall, and there is nowhere to go but up. ANY changes that would increase or decrease the need for pilots in the short run will only be positive, and we will need more pilots. If ANY of the proposed congressional/FAA changes go through, they will add to the increase in pilots needed.

The worst case short-term economic scenario means no change from now, which means no furloughs. ANY change, which IS happening now, will be positive and require more pilots.

cliff
NBO

BringDaFunk 08-23-2009 07:40 AM

Soon, Very Soon-I will be the one punching a hole in the sky with one of those sweet lookin 767-400's.the 5 month countdown begins tommorow!

hockeypilot44 08-23-2009 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by BringDaFunk (Post 667002)
Soon, Very Soon-I will be the one punching a hole in the sky with one of those sweet lookin 767-400's.the 5 month countdown begins tommorow!

Do you work for Compass? Don't get ahead of yourself. I think DC-9 is a little more realistic.

contrails 08-23-2009 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 667004)
Do you work for Compass? Don't get ahead of yourself. I think DC-9 is a little more realistic.

I sensed a sarcastic tone from his post. :)

Schwartz 08-23-2009 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 667004)
Do you work for Compass? Don't get ahead of yourself. I think DC-9 is a little more realistic.

I think clicking a few buttons to collect our unemployment "Obama bucks" once per week is more likely than flow ups in the next couple years. But then again, I keep my expectations low so I'm rarely disappointed.

XtremeF150 08-23-2009 08:15 AM

Well, I havent read anything here in a while and log in to see .....a Compass thread. Didn't see that coming. Since we are all throwing out our theories, here is mine. We seem to be staffed close to right on the left seat. (Most RSV's seem to be flying less than 75) and I've hear quite a few of them complaining about never flying. So this last class of 6 they are upgrading right now seemed odd. :confused:
Then I started thinking maybe they know something about Delta hiring in the Spring because just 2 classes at Delta would almost criple Compass from a CA standpoint. By Spring we would have well over 40 ready for flow (enough for 2 months of 20).
So with congress "Looking" at the duty time limits and the average age of crews steadily growing I think it is very possible to see some hiring next year. Probably nothing like 2 years ago but at least some movement.

All just my theories, but the bad news has to stop sometime right ;)

pinkpanther 08-23-2009 09:03 AM

It seems to me the hiring is for something much more insidious. Vacation. When have most the FOs been hired? Probably within the last year and so I think they are hiring for a change in next years FO staffing model.

JumpSeater 08-23-2009 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 666991)
Hi!

Because the "general feeling" is wrong. It is based on how things have been going, which is not good.

Economically, the world is improving, overall, and there is nowhere to go but up. ANY changes that would increase or decrease the need for pilots in the short run will only be positive, and we will need more pilots. If ANY of the proposed congressional/FAA changes go through, they will add to the increase in pilots needed.

The worst case short-term economic scenario means no change from now, which means no furloughs. ANY change, which IS happening now, will be positive and require more pilots.

cliff
NBO


Originally Posted by XtremeF150 (Post 667011)
Well, I havent read anything here in a while and log in to see .....a Compass thread. Didn't see that coming. Since we are all throwing out our theories, here is mine. We seem to be staffed close to right on the left seat. (Most RSV's seem to be flying less than 75) and I've hear quite a few of them complaining about never flying. So this last class of 6 they are upgrading right now seemed odd. :confused:
Then I started thinking maybe they know something about Delta hiring in the Spring because just 2 classes at Delta would almost criple Compass from a CA standpoint. By Spring we would have well over 40 ready for flow (enough for 2 months of 20).
So with congress "Looking" at the duty time limits and the average age of crews steadily growing I think it is very possible to see some hiring next year. Probably nothing like 2 years ago but at least some movement.

All just my theories, but the bad news has to stop sometime right ;)

Finally. Nice to know I am not the only one who sees that the glass is half-full. Thought I was going crazy! :D

Whacker77 08-24-2009 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 666991)
Hi!

Because the "general feeling" is wrong. It is based on how things have been going, which is not good.

Economically, the world is improving, overall, and there is nowhere to go but up. ANY changes that would increase or decrease the need for pilots in the short run will only be positive, and we will need more pilots. If ANY of the proposed congressional/FAA changes go through, they will add to the increase in pilots needed.

The worst case short-term economic scenario means no change from now, which means no furloughs. ANY change, which IS happening now, will be positive and require more pilots.

cliff
NBO

You do realize you have committed a cardinal sin on this site. You have posted a positive outlook on flying. How dare you!

Oberon 08-24-2009 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 666991)
Hi!

Because the "general feeling" is wrong. It is based on how things have been going, which is not good.

Economically, the world is improving, overall, and there is nowhere to go but up. ANY changes that would increase or decrease the need for pilots in the short run will only be positive, and we will need more pilots. If ANY of the proposed congressional/FAA changes go through, they will add to the increase in pilots needed.

The worst case short-term economic scenario means no change from now, which means no furloughs. ANY change, which IS happening now, will be positive and require more pilots.

cliff
NBO

You might be my favorite aviation message-boarder...you are always positive! Amazing in this industry!

Superpilot92 08-24-2009 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 666991)
Hi!

Because the "general feeling" is wrong. It is based on how things have been going, which is not good.

Economically, the world is improving, overall, and there is nowhere to go but up. ANY changes that would increase or decrease the need for pilots in the short run will only be positive, and we will need more pilots. If ANY of the proposed congressional/FAA changes go through, they will add to the increase in pilots needed.

The worst case short-term economic scenario means no change from now, which means no furloughs. ANY change, which IS happening now, will be positive and require more pilots.

cliff
NBO


I agree completely, very well put.

RiddleEagle18 09-04-2009 12:17 PM

anyone from this weeks interviews get a call yet???

250 or point 65 09-04-2009 12:39 PM

Yeah, I got called and accepted the Sept 11th Class date. This is scary, bout to give away my identity on APC :) Did I meet you in the lobby before the afternoon interviews yesterday?

RiddleEagle18 09-04-2009 12:44 PM

probably... Guess that is bad news for me. What time did they call you?

250 or point 65 09-04-2009 12:51 PM

PM sent..........

icedawg8 09-04-2009 02:05 PM

For the people that interviewed with compass, how much time did you have?

hom307 09-04-2009 04:49 PM

how many more spots are left for the sept 11th class?

Blkflyer 09-04-2009 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by icedawg8 (Post 673209)
For the people that interviewed with compass, how much time did you have?

They Prob had Thousands X 3

hom307 09-04-2009 05:11 PM

i had around 1900 hrs. they called me 6 days after sending my stuff in. still waiting to hear, i dont think i will get it though.

Rook 09-04-2009 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by hom307 (Post 673284)
i had around 1900 hrs. they called me 6 days after sending my stuff in. still waiting to hear, i dont think i will get it though.

Trust me. You're a shoo-in.

hom307 09-04-2009 05:35 PM

from the likes of it, they only fill 6 to a class. at least 2 were already in it before any interviews this week. apparently one person on here, who i think interviewed along with me already got accepted. so i guess that leaves MAYBE 3 spots left. i still don't think i will get any call.

250 or point 65 09-04-2009 08:50 PM

2250 total, furloughed waterskiier with 7 rec sheets turned in.

hockeypilot44 09-05-2009 04:46 AM

I still consider 2000 hours low time. I thought they were hiring pilots with years of airline experience, not months.

G2TT 09-05-2009 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 673443)
I still consider 2000 hours low time. I thought they were hiring pilots with years of airline experience, not months.

The pilots with years of airline experience generally are not the ones getting furloughed right now. That's how the whole seniority thing works most of the time. Compared to most other regionals, Compass does hire high time pilots, whether it meets your definition or not.

hom307 09-05-2009 06:03 AM

ok if we're gonna play this game, i think 10,000 hours is very low time. in fact, any check airman with 10k, in my book, should not get hired!


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