Just wait till the certificate consolidation...then we'll see what happens...Not trying to be negative, but I have worked for Northwest companies before, imo Compass was created as a surplus sponge...another NWA shell company.

soc will only cause a need for additional pilots as we all go to delta staffing and cross bidding begins causing training bubbles and increased deadheading. also theres no need for a sponge if theres nothing to absorb. i find it odd that the only ones popping off about flowbacks arent even associated with dal or cpz :cool:

the regionals with props and 50 seaters will continue to get hammered next year per yesterdays call. fwiw

Well, I'm glad you have it all figured out then...and I disclamed that it was my opinion, not a pop off....By the way, how do you know who I'm associated with anyway? Try being polite next time...and get off your Delta HIgh horse..I have worked there too!

I'm not on any high horse, my point was that 2 of you that dont work at Delta or CPZ currently are the ones who come on to this thread to drop fear grenades without reason. If you looik at real info instead of speculation then you'd know that the likelihood of furloughs at this point are lower than ever. Our staffing levels are where they need to be for this coming summer and the industry is on a slow rebound. Flying is being shifted back to mainline and 50 seaters are getting shed. Furloughs have a break even point at 22 months (per mgmt) and that point has come and gone.

I could go on and on about why furloughs arent going to happen (barring some major event). After 9/11 the airlines got hammered while the rest of the economy had pretty big expansion so when the economy tanked the airline industry had almost a decade jumpstart on the recession to cut costs and save cash. Thats why the airlines are even making it right now. The RJ bubble burst and the majors have already cut back so much that theres not alot more room to cut without severely disabling the system.

My point in jumping in on this discussion is that here lately there have been more and more people coming onto this forum to not add to discussions but to disrupt discussions.

BTW, I dont "have it all figured out", what i do have is info to back up my statements and I dont just pop in on discussions to lob grenades ;)

Rant over

Ha, thanks Super. Most of us at Compass don't really even think about it any more. If we get kicked to the street, well, sh!t happens. If not, great.

I just think some folks search for 'Compass', click on the first discussion, hit reply, and say 'Yeah, well, when do flowbacks start?' Sad, really.

I agree, it gets pretty old

And who gets the drama queen award? :rolleyes:

You are right. Everything is rosy. Daddy Delta is secure.

This coming from a RAH pilot. :rolleyes:

I'd say compared to the dysfunction that RAH has become everything is rosy hear at DAL. I'm sure all those seniority integrations will go over well.

[quote=johnso29;700387]This coming from a RAH pilot. :rolleyes:

And this matters why...? He has as much involvement in company happenings as you do at your company. Your opinions are in RAH threads, therefore others opinions will be in "your" threads.

Sorry if it bothers you that i can post info thats backed up. Please enlighten us back on this thread when you can post something other than flamebait. :cool:

[QUOTE=Fletch727;700709]I have never said in any RAH thread that furloughs are coming. I've never gone to an RAH thread & tossed fear grenades based solely on opinion.

And while I have voiced my disappointment with the RAH/MidWest situation I have also asked and encouraged the RAH pilots to demand the pay they deserve.

everyone-

I have been lucky enough to be invited to an interview for Compass. I was curious if there is still a simulator session, or if that has been done away with? Thank you all in advance, I am really keeping my fingers crossed!!!

No sim...Multiple choice ATP, 50-70 questions as far as I remember),
No figures or math.
2 NWA retired pilots, asked basic questions, not much about knowledge, and 1 HR lady, very relaxed interview....
if you have any specific questions PM me, I was hired in Sept 08...

Thanks a lot B1900YX! I really appropriate the information. The only other question I had, was if they cared I had an expired ATP written (should not matter since its a 121 program. I was just curious if they had strong feeling eitherway)

If you dont mind me asking, what kind of time and experience do you have? It seems like there are those with thousands of turbojet hours not getting the call. Did you have any recs?

I'd be happy to answer. I've got 2900hrs 1800 121 turbine SIC. I'm also very lucky, because I did have an internal rec. I certainly, by no means have the job. I just feel fortunate to have an opportunity.

I had an expired ATP written when I was hired in Sept 07. Nobody said a word about it since it's not really expired for Far 121 atp ride purposes, as you alluded to.

Thank you very much for answering my question.

A buddy who is leaving the Navy asked me if I knew anything about Compass.. Any idea how many they are looking at for the end of the year hiring?

There are other companies out there besides Delta....

i believe only 12 in class at this time. Approx. 45-60 next year is the rumor. The rumor should be confirmed early in 2010 as Delta is increasing utilization of the aircraft by 1-1.5 hours per day. We are already running line pilots at around 85 hours per month so there is no room to add block time without hiring. Now if we could just get mainline to take some of this flying back. Will also need pilots if Delta decides to hire by next summer. We could see as many as 85 pilots flow thru to Delta if they hire next year. If Delta is hiring then i assume others will be hiring which could take even more junior pilots from Compass. There are plenty pilots here that are junior that have heavy trans-atlantic and trans-pacific experience. Do to unfortunate circumstances at so many airlines it's not uncommon for me to fly with someone who has 1000 hours in the 747 or 15 years in a 757... strange as that may sound, it's true. Many of these experienced pilots are not going to wait for a flow thru.

[quote=Vikz09;711753]i believe only 12 in class at this time. Approx. 45-60 next year is the rumor. The rumor should be confirmed early in 2010.

I don't believe it's a rumour. Didn't the chief pilot come out with a company update last week confirming the need to hire 40-60 more pilots?
And yes, Delta is increasing their flying next summer according to various company correspondence. The future is finally bright. :)

We are hiring 60 pilots minimum (as many as 70) for aircraft utilization of next year. Most internal rec's are getting interviews. Good luck to all.

[quote=siemprerojo;711768][quote=Vikz09;711753]i believe only 12 in class at this time. Approx. 45-60 next year is the rumor. The rumor should be confirmed early in 2010.

I don't believe it's a rumour. Didn't the chief pilot come out with a company update last week confirming the need to hire 40-60 more pilots?
And yes, Delta is increasing their flying next summer according to various company correspondence. The future is finally bright. :)[/quote

Hah how right you are. It's easy to see how one could mis the details since it was comfirmed by Cambell. I usually skip over things he says especially since he was giving us the honor to decorate the new ops.

[quote=Vikz09;711849][quote=siemprerojo;711768]Yeah he was ignored when he was here too.

Thanks!!
 

Vikz09,

Great posts, thanks for the information! I'll pass that on...

Is it true that they're planning 3 classes in December and classes throughout next year?

Interviewed and offered the job, no internal recs. Was told a class of four Dec 3 and class of 6 Dec 17th, more after Jan 1.


FWIW:
6000 tt, BE1900, CRJ, and A320 experience.

After walking the furlough line for 7-8 months, many of the overseas jobs (Qatar, Emirates, ANA, other contracts) will not even look at you as they want very recent experience. The need to get flying is pretty crucial. Looking forward to it.

Anyone want to provide insight as to initial stuff (yes I know about the housing during training). How much for uniforms (do you have to buy a leather jacket?), how does the home based CBT training work (at your own pace?), what kind of pay while in MSP for the sim, junior bases, how long for reserve, premium pay over certain hours, travel benefits, etc? Thanks guys.

Congrats on the offer. I can give some insight but it has been over 2 years since I was in new hire.

I had a new guy on my jumpseat and he said that 4 people shared a 2 bedroom corporate furnished apartment and it came to 450 per for the entire time in training.

Uniforms ...I dont know what they are going to make you buy we are switching to delta look alike with only a single breast. The company pays for half of it and the other half is payroll deducted at 15 bucks a paycheck. If you buy the blue the company will pay for the entire new black one. Sorry no leather :mad:

2 weeks for CBT it can be done in 2 days but if you take your time and go through it it will take 2 weeks. They have asked people to do it in 3 days and people have done it to get in an earlier class.

During sim you get guarantee 75 hours per month. You can hold almost any base specially with 60 new hire next year.

Decent travel benefits 50 a year to enroll. No premium for extra hours.

Reserve might not be long for you.

Good group of guys to fly with.

I offer housing at my house near the training building if new hires are interested. references available

How long ago did you interview and how soon after did they let you know if you are hired?

15 hrs. of pay for the 30 day home study!!!

yep. straight out of the nwa bankruptcy written contract. sham.

But they still got thousands and thaousands of applications from people with thousands and thousdands of hours. Why should they pay more? Why should they pay for a hotel while in training? They got plenty of folks lined up...

Easy to cast stones when you already have a job. Every single one of us who works for, or who has worked for, a regional airline has taken subpar pay and working conditions. And we have all done flying that was once flown by a major. Unless you were military or a very rare and lucky person, you flew at a regional at one point.

So with that being said, what do you propose we do? I have been a professional pilot for the better part of 15 years and unwilling to take on loads more debt for education and re-training. My job skills are hard to transfer, or convince an HR person they can transfer, in this very tight job market. I have been furloughed since April and have been looking for work ever since. As mentioned before, it has been long enough since I have flown that the overseas jobs I have applied for are now not willing to look at me due to currency issues. Got shot down at Qatar last week due to that issue. So I can sit and drain my unemployment compensation, take on more debt to get retrained over the next few years, or take a low paying flying job, get current, and hope the market turns around soon and there begins to be some movement.

I've been out of a job since January, you can do the math of how many months of unemployment that comes out to. I'm not telling anyone not to go to Compass. I was just stating the facts in my previous post. People seems so surprised when they hear 15 hours of pay for 30 days, No housing during training, etc. I doesn't surprise me at all, because companies can do whatever the heck they want. They got plenty of people lined up. Supply & Demand. I wouldn't be surprised to see other airlines follow the same standards once things turn around and they start hiring. No more ticket to interview, No more Hotel provided during training, Only Half of guarantee pay until you pass IOE, etc. Just another easy way for them to cut costs. It sucks, but employers got us by the balls right now.

I don't get why Compass is hiring guys with 6000+ Hours, several type ratings, etc. Like you mentioned, most of these guys go there, get some currency and then bail as soon as things start moving. Not everyone wants to go to DL. But again, they can do whatever they want.

Also, as far as the whole "preferential interviews/hiring" for furloughed DCI/ALPA carriers, I heard it is BS. I saw how well it (didn't) work last year between OH/XJ.

You have a good point here, when people are lined up out the door why would Compass need to pay more or offer a hotel during training? Apparently they are getting plenty of qualified applicants. At my past regional airline job a hotel was provided during training along with per diem and a reserve equivalent guarantee so not all regionals are this way. The issue right now is that so few companies are hiring and most people on the street can't afford to be too picky. I can see both sides of the argument in this case. Best of luck to both of you.:)

Fair enough. I am a little hypersensitive to RJ pilots (or former RJ pilots) blaming other RJ pilots for stealing jobs or lowering the bar. Particularly by those who have been fortunate enough to not experience a furlough. Best of luck on your job hunt.

well the Delta thread is going crazy.

The delta pilot hiring website just changed again it says,
"We are proudly recruiting pilots for first officer positions"
Delta - Pilot Basics

even though the first page still says they arent currently reviewing applications??

Maybe we aren't getting an icnrease in utilization. Maybe delta is really going to hire?

Speaking of Delta hiring, if you are at Compass, is the flow through the only way to Delta? Can you apply reguarly as well? I seem to remember one of the other airline flow through agreements (Eagle to AA?) had the restriction that pilots at the regional could not apply to the mainline, there only way up was through the flow through.

Not that it matters too much due to the fact they will get thousands of applications, but seniority is pretty important and if you can get it at mainline Delta sooner, all the better.

Thanks