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Originally Posted by JungleBus
(Post 815802)
Apparently Compass management believes that "operational constraints" gives them cover to put off hiring until the last possible moment, then delay everyone's class dates by 3 months. I disagree. The first non-check airman who gets held back should file a grievance.
Honsetly, I do not see what the problem is with being held back 90 days. What are the Compass pilots loosing? They are getting the best of both worlds. They will already have their Delta senority number based on the day that they would have started class(I would imagine this would also allow them to begin building senority). They get to sit left seat at CP at the top of the senority list getting 15+ days/mon off, making more money and having a better QOL than if they were at Delta in training. I don't see where the Pilots are being harmed and losing anything. But I do agree with you that the princaple is wrong, it should be a smooth transition with no delay, and the hold back should only happen for unforeseen circumstances, not poor planning. |
Hey if I got a seniority number with Delta already I'd be more than happy to sit at Compass and hold out. It's like those FOs that don't bid the left seat until they can hold a line. You'd have a nice line at Compass and sit and wait while everyone else enjoys sitting reserve on the bottom of Delta's list. Granted some pay would be lost (arguably since you go from senior captain to 1st year FO) and the work rules aren't as good, but I don't think I'd mind.
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Thanks for the info on the EFBs.
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Originally Posted by mynameisjim
(Post 815449)
I understand
Did you complete your training in 45 days? I had 30 days of at home CD, 1 week of indoc, 1 week of systems and procedures, 2 weeks of sim, 1-2 weeks til oe... It was 5 months from date of offer until I could bid, but it was two years ago, so it may have improved since. The following is a brief description of the Training footprint that you can expect at DAL: You will receive a few CDs in the mail for self study prior to arrival. Week 1 - CPT type trainers with systems review - Systems validation. Week 2 - Procedures trainers - Procedures validation Week 3 - Full motion simulators - maneuvers validation. Week 4 - LOFTs with your final check-ride. As new hires you can probably expect about another week at the front end (Week 0) for orientation etc. But your training will probably be about 5 weeks total with a few days off in between stages. The good thing is that every time you have at least two days off in a row you will have positive space back hone if desired. Welcome aboard! Scoop :) |
Originally Posted by ak2az
(Post 815807)
Honsetly, I do not see what the problem is with being held back 90 days. What are the Compass pilots loosing? They are getting the best of both worlds.
They will already have their Delta senority number based on the day that they would have started class(I would imagine this would also allow them to begin building senority). They get to sit left seat at CP at the top of the senority list getting 15+ days/mon off, making more money and having a better QOL than if they were at Delta in training. I don't see where the Pilots are being harmed and losing anything. But I do agree with you that the princaple is wrong, it should be a smooth transition with no delay, and the hold back should only happen for unforeseen circumstances, not poor planning. For those of us that have to wait for either seat just remember that most ppl out there would be more than happy to be in your position. So lets try to stay positive no matter what they decide to do. If I can't change it I try not to worry about it to much. |
Anyone know how long you have to wait before reapplying after an interview?
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Originally Posted by erjpilot7
(Post 816157)
Anyone know how long you have to wait before reapplying after an interview?
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Originally Posted by XtremeF150
(Post 816148)
For those of us that have to wait for either seat just remember that most ppl out there would be more than happy to be in your position. So lets try to stay positive no matter what they decide to do. If I can't change it I try not to worry about it to much.
exactly... 99% of compass pilots are just very excited to have this happening. It means massive upward movement at our airline when most are moving the other way. |
Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
(Post 816241)
exactly... 99% of compass pilots are just very excited to have this happening. It means massive upward movement at our airline when most are moving the other way.
While I am excited that the flow will happen, I do not want to see any hold backs. First, I want to get my ass off reserve. Holdbacks will only dely that. Second depending on how the clases are assigned it is possible that there will be more off the street new hires out of the 240 to be hired and less Compass Pilots. Makes it harder for me to move up and even longer to flow up. Still movement is good and I hear the first interviews are being held in ATL this week. I hope this is true. |
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"you will have positive space back home if desired." not at compass, or that must be new, because as of last fall that wasn't the case. you're on your own for everything, even the 2 day intro before the month of home study. you should get your ID to jumpseat during those 2 days if you're lucky or fedexed to your home during the month of home study the only pos. space I ever got was to and from the interview. |
Originally Posted by WS01
(Post 816918)
Quote:
"you will have positive space back home if desired." not at compass, or that must be new, because as of last fall that wasn't the case. you're on your own for everything, even the 2 day intro before the month of home study. you should get your ID to jumpseat during those 2 days if you're lucky or fedexed to your home during the month of home study the only pos. space I ever got was to and from the interview. hes from delta and was refering to thier training footprint |
my bad..:o
should have read the whole thing .. |
Sorry guys, but I still have heartburn about the whole CompAss thing anyways. Your airline, and to a large extent, the pilots themselves, are the reason a 13 year NWA/DAL pilot cannot hold a Captain spot. You effectivley usurped seniority so if you have to wait another 3 month to flow up, BFD
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Originally Posted by iamadc8pilot
(Post 816941)
Sorry guys, but I still have heartburn about the whole CompAss thing anyways. Your airline, and to a large extent, the pilots themselves, are the reason a 13 year NWA/DAL pilot cannot hold a Captain spot. You effectivley usurped seniority so if you have to wait another 3 month to flow up, BFD
Compass pilots are not the reason a 13 year NWA/DAL pilot cannot hold a CA spot. You can't blame them for taking a job there, especially since a lot of them have been furloughed by other companies. |
anyone have any insight into the compass interviews being held next week?
will it be similar to old delta gouges? what is the tech test like? thanks! |
Originally Posted by iamadc8pilot
(Post 816941)
Sorry guys, but I still have heartburn about the whole CompAss thing anyways. Your airline, and to a large extent, the pilots themselves, are the reason a 13 year NWA/DAL pilot cannot hold a Captain spot. You effectivley usurped seniority so if you have to wait another 3 month to flow up, BFD
Your right. It was not the 68% vote of Mainline NWA Pilots who allowed Newco to exsist. Those 36 airplanes if they were on property would allow all 13 year NWA/DAL pilots to be Captain. I am sorry CPZ pilot took your job. How about the mainline pilot who voted Yes to help themselves only to eliminate the jobs that Captains at Compass should have at the bottom on the list? |
Originally Posted by iamadc8pilot
(Post 816941)
Sorry guys, but I still have heartburn about the whole CompAss thing anyways. Your airline, and to a large extent, the pilots themselves, are the reason a 13 year NWA/DAL pilot cannot hold a Captain spot. You effectivley usurped seniority so if you have to wait another 3 month to flow up, BFD
I have heartburn with the whole thing with NWA pilots who created a regional buy voting YES to forming NEWCO. You did this to yourself. Stop trying to blame others for uneducated decisions you and your cronies made. And the splitting Compass from your MEC only further divides pilot groups. Get a clue. |
Compass Pilots,
Before you post please consider the ramifications your words may have for flow-ups at Delta. There is no reason to engage someone looking to start a fight on Flightinfo. You will not change his mind but you may inadvertently influence someone who hasn't formed an opinion of Compass. |
Originally Posted by iamadc8pilot
(Post 816941)
Sorry guys, but I still have heartburn about the whole CompAss thing anyways. Your airline, and to a large extent, the pilots themselves, are the reason a 13 year NWA/DAL pilot cannot hold a Captain spot. You effectivley usurped seniority so if you have to wait another 3 month to flow up, BFD
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On another note after talking with some other guys today I have seen where this holdback could cause more of us not to make the cutoff. So in light of this maybe we should send some emails to the union to see if anything can be worked out. It was said today by EM that there would be no flowing out of seniority order per the contract. This sentence was meant to stop the company from picking and choosing who was going NOT stop every CA at Compass because they want to hold back a few checkairmen.
I can understand them wanting to hold a few checkairmen briefly to train the next checkairmen. However the other CA's need to go. This will ensure that we have 20 pilots per month of hiring taking place. If this doesn't occur then those 2 classes of 30 pilots will be all from the street. (Assuming Mesaba holds some guys too) Initially this might seem ok but this will mean 2 classes of 30 from street + 29 from Compass/Mesaba (only given #'s) =89 This will mean in 3 months time they would hit 267 (not including the callbacks) Looking at it like this we would be lucky to see 60 ppl flow more likely 40. This is a real possiblity that we need to try and prevent. |
Originally Posted by iamadc8pilot
(Post 816941)
Sorry guys, but I still have heartburn about the whole CompAss thing anyways. Your airline, and to a large extent, the pilots themselves, are the reason a 13 year NWA/DAL pilot cannot hold a Captain spot. You effectivley usurped seniority so if you have to wait another 3 month to flow up, BFD
Originally Posted by Oberon
(Post 817083)
Compass Pilots,
Before you post please consider the ramifications your words may have for flow-ups at Delta. There is no reason to engage someone looking to start a fight on Flightinfo. You will not change his mind but you may inadvertently influence someone who hasn't formed an opinion of Compass. Please don't feed the troll!
Originally Posted by XtremeF150
(Post 817190)
Oberon is right. This guy or gal is so not worth the time. I doubt he or she is even a DAL pilot. Just another troll that wishes to get a rise.
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Originally Posted by XtremeF150
(Post 817192)
On another note after talking with some other guys today I have seen where this holdback could cause more of us not to make the cutoff. So in light of this maybe we should send some emails to the union to see if anything can be worked out. It was said today by EM that there would be no flowing out of seniority order per the contract. This sentence was meant to stop the company from picking and choosing who was going NOT stop every CA at Compass because they want to hold back a few checkairmen.
I can understand them wanting to hold a few checkairmen briefly to train the next checkairmen. However the other CA's need to go. This will ensure that we have 20 pilots per month of hiring taking place. If this doesn't occur then those 2 classes of 30 pilots will be all from the street. (Assuming Mesaba holds some guys too) Initially this might seem ok but this will mean 2 classes of 30 from street + 29 from Compass/Mesaba (only given #'s) =89 This will mean in 3 months time they would hit 267 (not including the callbacks) Looking at it like this we would be lucky to see 60 ppl flow more likely 40. This is a real possiblity that we need to try and prevent. I don't know if this resulted in less flow ups or not, just thought I'd share FWIW. |
does anyone know if the written test that Compass gives during the phase 1 interview is from the ATP question bank or do they make up there own questions?
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Originally Posted by cfiguy11
(Post 817409)
does anyone know if the written test that Compass gives during the phase 1 interview is from the ATP question bank or do they make up there own questions?
There is some gouge out there on willflyforfood as well as this forum. I'm told they don't match the ATP questions, but are very similar (not word for word). |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 817322)
When NWA was running classes in 07/08 they did hold guys back at Mesaba because they needed to replace their empty Mesaba seat. However, these flow ups received a seniority # for the class they were originally awarded and just went to training later. That resulted in many being able to go straight to the 320, as many newhires held the 320 1 month into training and never had to go to the DC9 if they didn't want to.
I don't know if this resulted in less flow ups or not, just thought I'd share FWIW. I am sure Compass will be doing the same thing Mesaba did back in 2008. This time around, for 2010 and 2011 hiring, I believe no Mesaba pilot wil be held back unless they are management pilots. Mesaba is limited to only 9 per month anyway so that only makes 45 for 2010 and 108 for 2011 assuming DAL hiring continues all of 2011. So I think even with hold back policy, Compass has a much better flowthru agreement, hands down. |
Originally Posted by Oberon
(Post 817083)
Compass Pilots,
Before you post please consider the ramifications your words may have for flow-ups at Delta. There is no reason to engage someone looking to start a fight on Flightinfo. You will not change his mind but you may inadvertently influence someone who hasn't formed an opinion of Compass. |
Originally Posted by bored
(Post 817809)
Lighteningspeed -
I'll take our (XJ) flowthru over the CP one any day of the week. While we might only get to flow 9, we also don't have a flushback. Also, with a sustainable number like 9, it will facilitate a smooth operation at Mesaba while people flow. 20/mo from an airline with only 400 pilots is going to create havok and it will affect everyone on the list. 9/mo IMO is a small price to pay for keeping the rest of us not flowing from having rampant jr assigns, being abused on reserve, canceled vacations and all the other delights of a short staffed airline, all of which we have not experienced at Mesaba in the last 3 years. Plus, the number 9 can always be increased through negotiation. |
Originally Posted by contrails
(Post 814764)
Incorrect.
All that are senior enough to flow meet all of the requirements. In fact even the second bracket of 100 pilots probably all meets them too. See any who have been out on maternity leave for several months? Question me at your peril. |
Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed
(Post 817697)
You are right. To clarify, only ones held back were LCAs or ones with medical issues. But they all, except the ones with medical issues (I think there were only 2 with med issues), received NWA seniority numbers and they all flowed up and benefitted by flowing up later since they did not have to go to DC9s.
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Originally Posted by Splash
(Post 817906)
You are incorrect. Re-read the contract and LOAs. Pay particular attention to the requirement for 30 months. Then scan down the list and identify the pilots who don't have it - but are senior enough to flow.
See any who have been out on maternity leave for several months? Question me at your peril. Pilot #100 is past 30 months. Everyone more senior to that can hold captain. So, I guess you are referring to probably half a dozen people out of the first 100 that are on maternity leave, full-time military leave, medical leave, etc. That is not really what we have all been discussing on here, but okay, 95 out of the top 100 can flow, not all 100. |
Originally Posted by Splash
(Post 817906)
Question me at your peril. |
Has anybody gotten a call for the interviews supposedly happening next week?
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Originally Posted by contrails
(Post 818095)
You are really nitpicking here.
Call in sick for more than 5 days in a month, you lost that month as one of the required 30. |
Originally Posted by shadyops
(Post 818100)
Woah, watch out for this guy!
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Originally Posted by iPilot
(Post 818166)
Has anybody gotten a call for the interviews supposedly happening next week?
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Originally Posted by Splash
(Post 818203)
Good advice.
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Originally Posted by Splash
(Post 818202)
It's called "Being correct".
Call in sick for more than 5 days in a month, you lost that month as one of the required 30. |
Originally Posted by shadyops
(Post 818262)
Wrong. You are considered on payroll when you are on sick leave. Swing and a miss!
Research...then type. Saves embarrassment later. |
Originally Posted by shadyops
(Post 818258)
Alright Captain Planet, I bet it would be fun to fly a four day with you.
And it's Captain Galaxy. |
Originally Posted by Splash
(Post 818328)
I fly twelve-day trips.
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