I can't help you with regards to how far out the classes are filled, but I can tell you that there have been interviews on at least Tuesday and Wednesday of this week. Not sure how many, but there were "suits" in the Pan Am lobby on both of those mornings. Not sure why else they would be there....I will keep my ears to the ground for any further info.

We are still interviewing at Pan Am? I thought HR was moved to the new HQ now at the airport?

If H.R. is in Building C now, then they were at Pan Am for interviews, etc. One of the HR reps poked her head in our ground school class the other day.

As a heads up for people looking for interviews. I was in the Hr department on Friday and was told that the delta increase of utilization is continueing to get pushed back. They are adjusting how many they will be hiring down a bit. There is a meeting scheduled for today to decide by how many. I don't know any numbers at all. I will visit later this week to see if I can find anything else out.

I just heard the same thing. I think they decided on 48 new hires now.

Also heard that they received a mandate from Delta to make the interview exactly the same as deltas. It was extremly similar to NWA's before the merger.

Yeah Delta was livid I guess that Compass had not been requiring 4 year degrees and a few other things. I think they just want more control as to who is going to be flowing into their company. Understandable. 48 was the same number I heard. With 24 already in the pipeline that leaves 1/2 of the positions yet to start. I don't know how many classes they have already filled.

sounds pretty promising for you guys that the flow might actually work. time will tell i guess

The flow DOES work. Ask the 14 Mesaba guys who wear double breasted jackets.

Thank you for the updates on Compass.

I never thought of that. I wonder if Delta will pick up a CA at Compass who doesn't have a 4 year degree but is eligible for the flow.

Is the "48" at Delta or Compass? I am a few weeks away from a Masters in Aeronautical Science, waiting for a call from Compass... :)

In order to flow one must meet the mins for DAL which includes a 4-year degree. Currently DAL is now expecting to hire until late this year if the economy keeps posting gains.

The flow agreement is already part of both the Compass and the Delta PWA. For the people currently at Compass, there is no requirement for a 4 year degree to flow. Only to be a captain and to have been at Compass at least 30 months. The contract would have to be changed in order to change that. The future hiring process can be changed to only hire those with 4 year degrees but if there are any already at Compass without a degree, they already have their ticket to Delta.

Interesting... the Mesaba flow requires us to "meet the minimum hiring requirements for employment at Delta. I know our agreements are slightly different, but I would have thought they'd mandate you at least meet the hiring requirements.

email form Tim today said that the delay of the landing slot swap is going to slow down projected flying for the company. The up side, no LGA base. The down, less hiring and I have to rot on reserve.

I understand the fact that there are very few at Compass without the degree ( have read on this forum the number five once or twice), but I would almost bet money that if the flowthrough was activated in the upwards direction, Delta would not accept pilots that did not have the Delta Air Lines pilot minimums, which includes a 4 year degree. I know that's not in the flow agreement, but I bet that's what would happen, or some waiver would have to be granted to the few that don't have it.

It's really not any different than the NWA guys that are now DAL employees that do not have four year degrees.

Yes it is.

Delta acquired NWA. They are not acquiring a company in the event of flowthrough. They are taking on new-hires.

I really never got the big deal with the four year degree thing anyway. I've got 2 undergrad degrees and a masters. I don't think it makes me a better pilot or professional. I have met some real idiots that have specialized avaition degrees. Some of them could barely get a jet in the air whithout kill someone.

I think Delta never liked the idea of flows no matter what the form they took. Now they are stuck with 2 of them and they are a little miffed about it. If they want to change the process going forward fine. Require degrees or what ever you want, its your company now. But don't penalize the people you already have on property.

If Delta didn't accept pilots without a four year degree who otherwise would be eligible to flow up a grievance would be filed and Delta would lose. It's very plain language.

If the flow requires the pilot to meet the minimum hiring requirements and DL enforces it, how can anyone think a grievance could hold any merit? Seems pretty black and white... if you qualify and the flow gets to you... and you want to go... GO. If it gets to you and you don't qualify... NEXT.

NWA LOA 2008-01: Mesaba Flow Through Agreement (excerpt):

C. Flow Up
1. NWA shall offer employment to MSA Flow Up pilots in priority to any other pilot candidate for hire, with the exception of a pilot who is eligible for Flow Up from Compass Airlines. Offers to MSA pilots to Flow Up will be made in seniority order, provided that , in order to be eligible to Flow-Up a pilot must:
a. Be a Captain, and
b. Have at least thirty (30) months on payroll at MSA, and
c. Meet all objective hiring criteria and requirements as established by Northwest (e.g., total flight time, multi-engine time, PIC, First Class Medical Certificate, passport, FCC Radio permit, ATP certificate) provided such objective criteria shall not be greater or more extensive than the objective criteria for other new hires. A pilot who does not meet these criteria will retain the right to Flow Up at a later date once he is able to meet the criteria referenced above.

This is why XJ pilots must have a degree, or any other "objective criteria".

The Compass flow through language:

3. Compass Airlines pilots will be offered employment at Northwest Airlines before any other Northwest Airlines Affiliate Carrier or new hires from the street directly to Northwest Airlines.
a. Offers to flow up will be in seniority order, provided that, in order to be eligible to flow up a pilot, must:
(1) Be a captain, and
(2) Have at least thirty (30) months on payroll at Compass Airlines (see Sections 7 A. and 14 A.1.c. for definition of "on payroll"; for purposes of this paragraph 22 D.3., a pilot shall be deemed to be on payroll while on military leave).

There is no third line that says anything about meeting any other criteria as the XJ flow does. This is why NWA (and from what I hear DAL) was/is so heavily involved in the hiring process at CP and not XJ. There are only those above two requirements to flow up from CP.

You do realize that Compass hired a 700 hour female flight instructor don't you? The union jumped all over it, but she was allowed to keep her job and the company promised not to do it again. I personally know at least one pilot at Compass with no formal education past high school. The hiring standards at Compass and NWA were not the same. Compass paid a lot less than NWA therefore has less qualified applicants applying. Delta does not want to hire any Compass pilots without a degree. Your contract seems pretty solid except the fact that Northwest Airlines no longer exists. I have no idea how this will turn out, but you have the company and the majority of Delta pilots against you.

Say what? Delta pilots against them how?

Interesting, I thought we had the same minimum criteria to flow. Did the JPWA capture the same language for the flows?

Almost all Delta pilots have a bachelor's degree. The majority of Delta pilots have no problem with the Compass pilots flowing up assuming they meet all the requirements of a new hire. A bachelor's degree is a requirement so if you are at Compass without a degree and the company refuses to let you flow, you will probably not have the Delta pilots' support IMHO.

I never said that the hiring standards were the same. NWA was heavily involved in the hiring process at CPS, but you're right: the standards used were not the same. CPS pilots are no better than MSA pilots and vice versa. The only defference is that the CPS flow up agreement was in place from day one. This gave NWA the opportunity to be involved in the selection process from the start. The MSA agreement came more than sixty years after MSA started operating so there's an additional filter in place.

You're correct that NWA no longer exists, but NWA LOAs 2006-10 & 14, which reference our CBA, were carried over in tact. All references to NWA in them are understood to mean DAL per the JPWA. NWA LOA 2008-01 is the MSA flow agreement and was also carried over in tact.

To my knowledge the low time pilot had just under 1,000 hours and was not the individual you referenced above (I know her). I understand that they did in fact hire one person who was a CFI. I am personally familiar with the vast majority of our new hire qualifications from 07-08. ALPA and the company agreed that the seven people hired who did not have ATP mins would stay on the property. There were a few people who wanted them gone, but lucky for the low-time pilots "lucky seven" those people were not in a position to make that happen. In exchange ALPA got an "iron clad" interpretation of what a "Captain type rating" means. The lucky seven got AQP ATP certificate training at the company's expense.

I have no interest in debating who wants the flow and who doesn't. It's in all three of our contracts and has provided DAL pilots with additional job protection. It could be said that DAL didn't furlough because of the flow and now DAL pilots want to deny a few compass pilots their contractual right to a job (or at least a training attempt) at DAL? I personally know several pilots at Compass who have no formal education past high school. Time will only tell what happens. If a degree is that important to DAL pilots then their should have been zero Compass new hires without one since the merger was announced.

If DAL decides to hold would-be CPS flow ups to the DAL objective criteria it will be interesting to see what the outsome is. NWA was not hiring and the CPS-ALPA CBA had not yet been signed when I came here. I met all of the objective criteria already when hired at Compass so it will not make any difference to me.

Yes. The applicable LOAs were all carried over unmodified.

Actually, probably just a little over half against you, as shown by the Vote to divest Compass from the mainline MEC, which was 100% down pre-merger company lines.

+1 Spot on..
The golden 7 they were prior 121 pilots who HR interviewed and hired and consequently HR reps fired from Compass.

I have also heard that Delta will check PRIA records. Not in the contract so time will tell.

Sorry but this isn't true.

Thank's for the correction.

I would assume that they are required by law to check PRIA records. Whether they could exclude someone from being hired as a result of that or the lack of a four year degree would be interesting. I'm not saying that they wouldn't try to exclude someone from being hired for such reasons, I'm just saying that it becomes a really slippery slope in terms of potential litigation.

The language of the JPWA and the contractual language of the flow through state that DAL WILL hire Compass Pilots, not that they'll give them preferential consideration. If you exclude someone for not having a four year degree or you exclude someone that has a couple of check ride busts over the span of a 10 or 15 year career, you better not have a single guy on property that meets a similar description. And I know for a fact that there are several at NWA/DAL meeting that description. My guess is that it would become an interesting situation.

Probably a moot point. I know of maybe 3 guys at Compass without a degree, and they could each probably finish it up before DAL ever starts to accept flow throughs. Just an interesting discussion.

Flood Gate is open again! Compass accepting pilot apps.

That's peculiar considering they have apparently cancelled all pilot interviews from here on out...

Was in recurrent yesterday, and the company has decided to press forward with hiring more instructors (or, at least bringing to Pan Am the same ones that were at CAE in YUL) to prep for a large training push in the fall (???). However, for the time being, the hiring will stop at 42 instead of the originally-planned-upon 60+.

The exact quote "Compass management thinks it is going to need the capacity to train 20 a month later this year". Carry on.

Stopped in the hall to talk to the training director yesterday afternoon. He said the same thing. They want enough contract instructors to be able to flex up quickly. Same numbers as mentioned above.

I hope that's true or I'm going to be displaced to some dual base city.

I hear that. I wouldn't mind The ORD/MDW thing but I would really not like to go to LGA. We got a email the other day asking us if we opened one what we would prefer. I don't think it means they care about our opinion but they are at least looking where people would go if given the option. Probably to see if moving expenses would balance out or for that matter tip the scale in one direction or another. I really don't know to many people on the seniority list yet so I have no idea how many east coast guys are around or ord guys we have.

There are about 30 MKE guys(exSkyway), and only a handful of CHI guys that I know of

I know there is a couple midex guys here too. they would love a chi base over flying to msp.

Well I don't think we will tar and feather you yet :) Your posts are always as factual as any and there is no way we could know all 370 of us. I do however know of one CFI that was hired too, not sure if it is the same guy.
This guy however was my primary CFI and came to us with over 4000 hours including some Turbine PIC he recieved while training current Military pilots for special missions so I would think although he wasn't a former Airline employee our critics out there could acknowledge he was in fact qualified to be an E-175 FO.
Continue the great posts ;)