Agreed with most of the facts and all of the concept. This industry has been evolving drastically since the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 which, IMHO, was one of the reasons EAL, Pan Am, TWA plus many others exist now only in the history books.

The system is indeed broken. Hiring is largely done by office pogues who rarely, if ever, step on the ramp. The reality of life in the cockpit is as foreign to them as life on Mars yet they're the ones selecting who is going to be a "good employee" and who isn't.

The pay issue is different. If the corporate types had their way even legacy airline pilots would be making the same as the building janitor, if not less. To a large extent, regional pilots are their own worst enemy where pay is concerned. In the past, most were "too busy" to become involved in union activities since they didn't plan on sticking around long enough to see a new contract. "Look, dude, I'm only here for two years. You do whatever you want with that union stuff. Just leave me out of it". Now they are living under the conditions which they and their predecessors allowed to happen.

The American pilot "Green Book" contract is about 2 inches thick. The Eagle pilot contract is half that thickness. Why? Largely due to the fact Eagle has only been around for a third of the time the American pilots have been unionized. Strong unions generate strong contracts. The caveat is that those contracts take time to generate. Lots of time is required, such as 3-4 contract periods, before a regional airline can expect to see "career" level improvements to the contract.


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True. I know a veterinarian (DVM) who was admitted to the Texas A&M vet school after only two years of (outstanding) undergrad work. I don't think this happens often, however.

No most professional careers require a degree plus you professional degree. Try getting into med school with ma and pa kettles back yard community college training. And the vet school deal that you mentioned, most schools offer a program that allows the student to work towards a specialized undergrad degree while fulfilling the pre-vet requirements, allowing the top achievers admittance before they received a BS. They do however receive a MS after completing coarse work, as a vet student, above and beyond their normal work, after their first year.

Compass requires a degree because Delta requires a degree. Just wait until later this year when you have to pass the Delta Psych eval and testing just to make $23,000

Thats the point!!! for only 23,000. If you ask someone to have a Degree, plus hour, plus,plus you will have to have a decent pay. For 23,000 good luck. LOL......

I can just see it.. Do you like pets? NO. What is your favorite color? Teal. What do you see in this picture? A humpback whale and bushes. OK sir you can't go to Delta because you're a Psycho.

In today's economy, you can hardly get an interview for a professional job WITH a college degree. Try entering a medical school without a college degree today, not 40 years ago. I think you are thinking about your generation when a high school diploma was good enough for most jobs. Not today.

I think this is fairly accurate. IF someone said I have 10,000 hrs of boeing time but no hs diploma is this good enough to work here many would say no. Well, college is the new High school and it stinks for those who didn't get a chance to do it for some reason, but thats just the way it is. I think all young ppl these days understand that you MUST go on to higher education. No it might not be all far but it is the way of the future and the supply definately allows them to push it.

Anyone read AIN this month. The article about Automation : End Game is an eye opener for sure.

That test is retarded for sure. I have a very close friend that was rejected due to the shrinks opinion. He was an aircraft commander on B-52's and was highly recommended by several internal Delta guys. After getting his FU letter from HR his friends did some digging and found out the shrink said he was not assertive enough and would not be a good candidate for Captain. This for a guy the U.S.A.F entrusted to command a crew hauling around nuclear weapons to go and potentially kill a few million people. The evaluation is extremely subjective and a waste of time.

The degree requirement is just a discriminator the HR people use to make the stack of applications smaller. It does nothing to ensure the caliber of applicant getting passed on to the next phase of evaluation. HR people are not dumb. They know that qualified applicants are being kicked out by the degree requirement. They just don't care because there are still plenty of applicants left afterwards to easily fulfill hiring requirements.

I couldn't agree more:rolleyes:
I know of many similar stories regarding phyc. evals. to support this...sad, but true. One day it will be officially revealed what a load of crap these exams are...Mark my words.

Yep, the 4 year degree requirement is in place just to make some lazy (or over worked) HR persons job easier...

Who would you want to fly your family around:
(A) The pilot with 4 years of studding philosophy under their belt, while waiting for an apple to fall on their head?
(B) The pilot who spent that same 4 years gaining experience, while in command of real world flight operations.

Now, option (B) is no longer considered:confused:
What a joke.

ATR:cool: