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Overall pay is better at SkyWest and upgrade times are faster at Compass. Right now the upgrade time is at 3.5-4 years at SkyWest. Don't know for sure about Compass. The thing about upgrades is they can and do change without notice. Never chase a quick upgrade.

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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1846985)

Don't forget Endeavorer is wholly owned and that's always turned out bad for those in the past. Delta is ruthless and it's amazing how quickly people forget how terrible RA can make it for wholly owned carriers. Those first few upgrade classes will be to upgrade those who have been downgraded and there are 7.5 year FOs who still have to upgrade. Don't get too excited about 9E yet.

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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1846988)

Maybe this is a preemptive move to keep the flow of candidates coming. It's really hard to believe but maybe TSH is being kind of proactive? I can't believe I said "TSH and proactive" in the same sentence but it seems to be the truth.

Preemptive? They are the worst at preemptive moves. We are already well behind on the upgrades and new hires due to their decisions. This one was probably made later than it should have been too.

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Originally Posted by TheFly (Post 1847017)

I want the koolaid you're drinking. Skywest is in a worse position than Compass with all their non-76 seat airplanes waiting to get parked. The only way Skywest pilots will be insulated from that is if they park Expressjet and ASA planes at an abnormal rate and give their 76-seat replacements to the Skywest pilots. Until you become a 76-seat fleet, you are at risk to feel the regional shrinkage going on.

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Originally Posted by 404yxl (Post 1847053)

Don't get too excited about Compass. 9E is wholly owned and Delta can decide to increase their compensation and let Compass and everyone else wither and die with their current CPA pay rates. Once TSH hits the wall, they will need to increase our compensation to attract candidates and restrict attrition. If Delta and American say no, watch our flying reverse.

It's a two way street, don't assume Endeavor is a guaranteed fail. Get your PIC and get out of here as soon as you can. That is all I can suggest.

Preemptive? They are the worst at preemptive moves. We are already well behind on the upgrades and new hires due to their decisions. This one was probably made later than it should have been too.

I want the koolaid you're drinking. Skywest is in a worse position than Compass with all their non-76 seat airplanes waiting to get parked. The only way Skywest pilots will be insulated from that is if they park Expressjet and ASA planes at an abnormal rate and give their 76-seat replacements to the Skywest pilots. Until you become a 76-seat fleet, you are at risk to feel the regional shrinkage going on.

I answered the question that was asked, and it's the truth. SkyWest has a better pay scale & Compass (for now) has a shorter upgrade time. No one knows what the future holds no, not even you do. Perhaps you don't know what the term "kool aid" implies...sir.

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Originally Posted by TheFly (Post 1847068)

Truth. That's koolaid right there.

How's the medical and retirement? What happens if you get sick long term?

158 50 seat aircraft waiting to get parked. Anything less than 158 76 seat replacement aircraft means you will be shrinking.

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Originally Posted by 404yxl (Post 1847081)

Sick long term? Have you seen Compass's long term sick compensation? It doesn't exist.

BTW I"m pretty excited about Compass and the opportunities we have here. We are in a better position than 9E and I am not afraid to admit it. TSH is hiring at a good clip and they really didn't have to start paying for hotels yet because we are still filling classes. The only dept that is lacking is the training dept. Not enough instructors...we have enough pilots.

[QUOTE=AlaskaBound;1847090]Sick long term? Have you seen Compass's long term sick compensation? It doesn't exist.

Compass doesn't offer it but you can get short and long term "loss of license" through ALPA after getting off probation.

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Originally Posted by 404yxl (Post 1847081)

If it's truly kool aid, then disprove my statement. You can't, so you're either a troll, management or both.

I don't see Skywest ever getting close to the upgrade times compass has. For the past 6 months ~ year anyone that went to compass over Skywest will make more. Skywest does indeed have a better fo scale except for the first year.

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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1847090)

Compass Koolaid. It exists everywhere.

And yes, we have long term sick at Compass. Check our contract. Might give you even more koolaid to drink ;)

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Originally Posted by madmax757 (Post 1847093)

Compass doesn't offer it but you can get short and long term "loss of license" through ALPA after getting off probation.

We have it as part of our contract and it kicks in after you exhaust your sick and vacation time. Getting ALPA will give you more coverage.

Skywest has short and long term disibility. They do have better retirement and medical. They have a ton of 50 seaters which will fade out sometime, perhaps offset if they can find homes for the 250ish firm aircraft they have on order. Compass has explosive movement until the end of the year and few lifers. Lets pat all ourselves on the back and finish the cup of Koolaid. Both are subcontractors for major airlines whose very existence is based on being under compensated.
Pick whichever gives a good QOL, be smart with the little money you earn, have fun on the overnights, be cool to your coworkers, travel a bit, and pursue the next great opportunity when it comes.