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Old 04-28-2017, 05:08 PM
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I currently hold a PIC type but I am hired as an SIC in a Lear 45/75. I finally meet the requirements (insurance) for PIC. Should I try to convince my boss (owner) to make me a co-captain? The guy I fly with told me I should, I just don't know how to approach my boss with the idea. Also, the raise would be nice.
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Old 04-28-2017, 11:33 PM
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You ask for a meeting, go in and be prepared to state your case. Explain your qualifications:

-hours
-responsibility
-ability to work well with others
-demonstrating good leadership
-successes In teamwork, working well with others.
-work history (never late, takes additional flights willingly)

Good luck! You deserve it.


There's nothing wrong with asking.
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Old 04-29-2017, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Lear333 View Post
I currently hold a PIC type but I am hired as an SIC in a Lear 45/75. I finally meet the requirements (insurance) for PIC. Should I try to convince my boss (owner) to make me a co-captain? The guy I fly with told me I should, I just don't know how to approach my boss with the idea. Also, the raise would be nice.
Completely agree with the above post. Very well stated. Your "implied" leverage: there are plenty of airlines hiring....
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Old 04-29-2017, 07:22 AM
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I used to work for somebody who had a couple of degrees in Business.
So I go in asking for a raise.
He's like I was wondering when you'd come in.
I countered with 'well you could have offered'.
He's like 'why should I pay you more for doing the same job?'
Me: ' because I'm really good at what I do'
Him: ' so why should I pay you more for doing the job I hired you to do?'

Be prepared for a conversation like this.
Practice with a buddy as this sort of thing can really throw you off your game.
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Old 04-29-2017, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by flightview View Post
You ask for a meeting, go in and be prepared to state your case. Explain your qualifications:

-hours
-responsibility
-ability to work well with others
-demonstrating good leadership
-successes In teamwork, working well with others.
-work history (never late, takes additional flights willingly)

Good luck! You deserve it.


There's nothing wrong with asking.
Thanks for the awesome advice. I have a month before I can ask for my performance review and ill ask then.
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Old 04-29-2017, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
I used to work for somebody who had a couple of degrees in Business.
So I go in asking for a raise.
He's like I was wondering when you'd come in.
I countered with 'well you could have offered'.
He's like 'why should I pay you more for doing the same job?'
Me: ' because I'm really good at what I do'
Him: ' so why should I pay you more for doing the job I hired you to do?'

Be prepared for a conversation like this.
Practice with a buddy as this sort of thing can really throw you off your game.
Good point! I never thought of that. I think that the question for a promotion will help. He has been considering hiring a third pilot and I would hope to become PIC instead of him hiring another one.
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Old 04-29-2017, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Lear333 View Post
Good point! I never thought of that. I think that the question for a promotion will help. He has been considering hiring a third pilot and I would hope to become PIC instead of him hiring another one.


You can hit on some points here. If you can explain upgrading you to PIC will save their company money because you're already trained.
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Old 04-29-2017, 06:21 PM
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You can hit on some points here. If you can explain upgrading you to PIC will save their company money because you're already trained.
Not sure if saving them money would be valid since they would have to hire and train another pic typed pilot
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Old 04-29-2017, 06:24 PM
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Not sure if saving them money would be valid since they would have to hire and train another pic typed pilot


I read it as the company could either hire another pilot or upgrade him to PIC. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Old 05-03-2017, 05:48 PM
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Depending on the type of owner,it's a leverage game...

Like someone said, airlines are hiring.. I wouldn't say it as an altimatum though..

I'd go in and ask, state your case.. If they say no, get some airline interviews. When you get a hired letter from the airline, go back in and ask again, this time with an altimatum.

Having something to fall back on makes all the difference in the world when negotiating job terms.
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