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Old 05-10-2017, 08:59 AM   #11
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Here is the newest update:

My company is now dispatching me as PIC. Do you think it is safe to ask the owner for a raise since I am flying as Co-Captain?
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Here is the newest update:

My company is now dispatching me as PIC. Do you think it is safe to ask the owner for a raise since I am flying as Co-Captain?
How much TPIC time do you have? 500+ hours. He might just tell the dispatcher to stop using your name for PIC. I assume your still sitting right seat and logging time as PIC as your name in on the paperwork. Before you rock the boat get enough TPIC time to elsewhere.
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:27 PM   #13
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How much TPIC time do you have? 500+ hours. He might just tell the dispatcher to stop using your name for PIC. I assume your still sitting right seat and logging time as PIC as your name in on the paperwork. Before you rock the boat get enough TPIC time to elsewhere.


I have 1000 turbine with about 750 turbine PIC.


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Up to the owner. 750 turbine PIC isnt much leverage, or a very broad experience base for anything.

If you feel your experience and qualification makes you competitive against others who would apply, then ask for a raise commensurate with your qualification.

Be prepared before you approach management, and be armed with a comparison of your pay, comparitive worth, qualification, and know your potential competition.

If the company can hire a typed pilot with 5000 PIC in type and they're beating down the door looking for work, then that's your competition. If the only applicants are 250 hour wonders, then you're more qualified than the competition. If the company has invested in you with training and not the other guy, or needs to put less training into you, then you're ahead of the competition. Remember that you're a known quantity whereas your potential competition is not, which gives you a potential home field advantage.

Is your 250 hours turbine PIC actual pilot in command experience, or sole manipulator experience when someone else was the PIC?

If the company is presently recognizing you as PIC, then you should be paid accordingly.
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Old 05-11-2017, 07:58 AM   #15
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Up to the owner. 750 turbine PIC isnt much leverage, or a very broad experience base for anything.

If you feel your experience and qualification makes you competitive against others who would apply, then ask for a raise commensurate with your qualification.

Be prepared before you approach management, and be armed with a comparison of your pay, comparitive worth, qualification, and know your potential competition.

If the company can hire a typed pilot with 5000 PIC in type and they're beating down the door looking for work, then that's your competition. If the only applicants are 250 hour wonders, then you're more qualified than the competition. If the company has invested in you with training and not the other guy, or needs to put less training into you, then you're ahead of the competition. Remember that you're a known quantity whereas your potential competition is not, which gives you a potential home field advantage.

Is your 250 hours turbine PIC actual pilot in command experience, or sole manipulator experience when someone else was the PIC?

If the company is presently recognizing you as PIC, then you should be paid accordingly.


My TPIC have been as a dispatched PIC. Thanks for the info! Before I got hired, the airplane was flown with just contract pilots for months. I don't think there is a crazy amount of competition for it, at least locally. Before I got hired on, the owner personally talked to me to make sure I was going to stay for a while. They had a history of high turnover.


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Old 05-15-2017, 10:02 PM   #16
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I just got "upgraded" by the company but the owner has not formally "upgraded" me in the sense that he has not given me a raise. In my next performance review, should I ask for a raise in commensurate with the industry pay rate? I do not know how to approach this.

I have been offered higher pay but I like flying for my boss and I do not want to risk changing my lifestyle. How do I get a raise without sounding like I am threatening to leave?
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I just got "upgraded" by the company but the owner has not formally "upgraded" me in the sense that he has not given me a raise. In my next performance review, should I ask for a raise in commensurate with the industry pay rate? I do not know how to approach this.

I have been offered higher pay but I like flying for my boss and I do not want to risk changing my lifestyle. How do I get a raise without sounding like I am threatening to leave?
Tell the boss you love your job but cannot retire on job satisfaction. In this climate, if he's a smart dude, he will pay you more.

I used the PP16 survey a few weeks ago and got a HUGE raise. Paying you more is cheaper than hiring and training a new guy.
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Don't approach the Boss on a trip. Make an appointment. If you'll be calling them directly for the appointment be prepared for them to say "what's up?", right there on the phone. Be honest, and be prepared to have them ask how much will it take for you to be happy. Don't expect them to throw a number at you.
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