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Old 11-16-2017 | 01:25 PM
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Should I finish college or ratings first? First some background info, I'm 21 with a PPL, and Instrument rating and want to become a career pilot. I have less than a year of college under my belt, and a considerable amount of debt from flight training. I haven't flown in around 9 months because I can't afford it. Im at a point where I cannot and shouldn't take out any more loans for flying. Ive decided that I should focus on getting my degree first. This will allow me to get a better job to pay off my debt and save for the rest of my flight training. The only other option would be working full time at a min. wage job until I get the $.

Any thoughts on finishing college first?

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Old 11-16-2017 | 04:26 PM
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Should I finish college or ratings first? First some background info, I'm 21 with a PPL, and Instrument rating and want to become a career pilot. I have less than a year of college under my belt, and a considerable amount of debt from flight training. I haven't flown in around 9 months because I can't afford it. Im at a point where I cannot and shouldn't take out any more loans for flying. Ive decided that I should focus on getting my degree first. This will allow me to get a better job to pay off my debt and save for the rest of my flight training. The only other option would be working full time at a min. wage job until I get the $.

Any thoughts on finishing college first?

Thanks!

Finish the degree period. I received my degree in mechanical engineering, full scholarships and grants, worked for 5 years in engineering, paid off all of my ratings (except private and instrument as I already had those) and found part time CFI job shortly after. I worked 24/7 for the last 3 years and was able to log 1800 TT however my weekends were spent flying 6am-8pm, my weekdays after work were spent at the airport as well (was lucky to have two jobs 5 mins apart). I would suggest doing the same, work your a** off, make double salary and by the time you're 26-27, you'll be debt free with plenty of savings to take on regional job and good amount of experience in two industries. I'm 26 and jumping the ship in in January. My goal was to have a solid plan B. I am actually thinking of picking up Masters in economics after I get through regional training.
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Old 11-16-2017 | 05:18 PM
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Have you considered joining the National Guard or Reserves? Depending upon what state you live in, some states have 75% to 100% tuition paid. Plus you will qualify for the GI Bill.

There's lots of aviation related jobs you could do until you finish your degree, then you may want to pursue flight training in the military.
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Old 11-19-2017 | 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by acpeck6
Should I finish college or ratings first? First some background info, I'm 21 with a PPL, and Instrument rating and want to become a career pilot. I have less than a year of college under my belt, and a considerable amount of debt from flight training. I haven't flown in around 9 months because I can't afford it. Im at a point where I cannot and shouldn't take out any more loans for flying. Ive decided that I should focus on getting my degree first. This will allow me to get a better job to pay off my debt and save for the rest of my flight training. The only other option would be working full time at a min. wage job until I get the $.

Any thoughts on finishing college first?

Thanks!
I was in a very similar situation 15 years ago. I left college in a pro pilot degree with 1 year and a PPL under my belt to wrap up all my ratings at https://www.aviator.edu/flight-school and then instructed full time for a year before deciding to go back to college full time(back then "the aviator" didn't offer college degrees). It allowed me to test out of many classes once returning with all(commercial multi instrument & MEI/CFII/CFI) my ratings. So I ended up sitting in school for 6 semesters and leaving with a BS, but start to finish it took 5 years. I took loans for mostly everything, which thankfully I've paid off. The only regret, I started flying/college at 21. I would have liked to have started earlier.
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Old 11-19-2017 | 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by landlover
I was in a very similar situation 15 years ago. I left college in a pro pilot degree with 1 year and a PPL under my belt to wrap up all my ratings at https://www.aviator.edu/flight-school and then instructed full time for a year before deciding to go back to college full time(back then "the aviator" didn't offer college degrees). It allowed me to test out of many classes once returning with all(commercial multi instrument & MEI/CFII/CFI) my ratings. So I ended up sitting in school for 6 semesters and leaving with a BS, but start to finish it took 5 years. I took loans for mostly everything, which thankfully I've paid off. The only regret, I started flying/college at 21. I would have liked to have started earlier.
I did the exact same thing as landlover in 1976-81. Fly first, build flight time and work your way through college. Flight Safety has a program where if you show up with a commercial-instrument rating, they will buy your CFII-MEI in exchange for teaching at their flight school in Florida for two years. You can finish up your degree while you rack up flight time.
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Old 11-19-2017 | 08:36 AM
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Go through an accelerated program to get your ratings and start work as fast as possible. Assuming you want to go to the airlines it is all about seniority which means the sooner you get there the better off you are.

Get to the regionals ASAP. Once there begin working on an online degree.
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Old 11-20-2017 | 08:43 AM
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Thanks for all the replies! You all have given me some great things to think about. I'll have to look into the Flight Safety Program in Florida. I think it might be best to start with my degree, and finish my training after school. I miss flying like you wouldn't believe but I think its a good idea to have a backup plan as well.

Have a great Thanksgiving and Fly Safe!

Alec Peck
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Old 11-20-2017 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by acpeck6
Should I finish college or ratings first? First some background info, I'm 21 with a PPL, and Instrument rating and want to become a career pilot. I have less than a year of college under my belt, and a considerable amount of debt from flight training. I haven't flown in around 9 months because I can't afford it. Im at a point where I cannot and shouldn't take out any more loans for flying. Ive decided that I should focus on getting my degree first. This will allow me to get a better job to pay off my debt and save for the rest of my flight training. The only other option would be working full time at a min. wage job until I get the $.

Any thoughts on finishing college first?

Thanks!
Maybe consider a middle ground? Enroll in a two year associate's degree program like Tarrant County College then finish up a bachelors later on while working as a CFI or FO. You could get credit for the college you have under your belt as well as the PPL+IR. You'd have about four semesters to get all your licenses and an associate's.

https://www.tccd.edu/academics/cours...ssional-pilot/
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Old 11-23-2017 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Go through an accelerated program to get your ratings and start work as fast as possible. Assuming you want to go to the airlines it is all about seniority which means the sooner you get there the better off you are.

Get to the regionals ASAP. Once there begin working on an online degree.
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I don't know how much debt you are in, and I don't want to advertise more debt because it sucks, plus I paid cash myself for the initial ratings through cfi. SonicFlyer has a point- there is such thing as an opportunity cost of obtaining your qualifications slowly, especially in the current hiring environment. Since you want to be an airline pilot, taking several years now just to enter the field cuts off several high earning years on the far end of your career. What I would do if I was in your shoes is I would hold off on the college degree for a couple of years and work hard full time and pay cash for your ratings as fast as possible. Then, when you're a CFI and later an FO you can knock out your degree online while you're sitting around in hotel rooms- it's a very effective way to occupy your layovers, ask me how I know that
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Old 11-24-2017 | 06:53 AM
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OP,
I don't know how much debt you are in, and I don't want to advertise more debt because it sucks, plus I paid cash myself for the initial ratings through cfi. SonicFlyer has a point- there is such thing as an opportunity cost of obtaining your qualifications slowly, especially in the current hiring environment. Since you want to be an airline pilot, taking several years now just to enter the field cuts off several high earning years on the far end of your career. What I would do if I was in your shoes is I would hold off on the college degree for a couple of years and work hard full time and pay cash for your ratings as fast as possible. Then, when you're a CFI and later an FO you can knock out your degree online while you're sitting around in hotel rooms- it's a very effective way to occupy your layovers, ask me how I know that
This *2. Every year you procrastinate costs you 250-300k of lost earnings at the tail end of your career.
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